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VLC media player 0.8.6

Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » 10 Dec 2006 17:07

Building on feedback from the 29 million downloads of VLC media player 0.8.5, we bring you version 0.8.6 with many bugfixes, as well as a couple of new features we think you will truly enjoy. Most prominent are probably Windows Media Video 9 and Flash Video. Other important changes are improved H.264 decoding, better Windows Unicode support, a Fullscreen controller and Apple Remote support for Mac OS X.

Have a look here for the full list of changes.

Binary packages and the source code are available on the VLC download page.
You can get help concerning this new release on the Documentation Page, Forum, Wiki, Mailing Lists or in #videolan on Freenode. Remember to reset your preferences if you experience problems after upgrading from a previous version.
Please report any bugs, remarks and comment and this release.
Please suggest new features on the topic on this forum.
Please make some advertisement for this release.

Thanks and enjoy!
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why can't vlc play real files?

Postby evil_duc » 10 Dec 2006 23:10

the new version is realy great and bugfree but why can't it read real files.

I have an other player(blasphemy) called media player classic and with real player instaled it can read real files better thant the original. Why can't vlc do at least the same.

It's not a problem for me but I just wanted to know why can't you make real plugins like the "Windows Media Video 9" one.

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Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » 11 Dec 2006 00:36

Once more, there is no open-source library for RealVideo (RV40 and RV50) files, and making a DLL loader breaks the inter-OS, inter-platform possibilities that VLC can give. Moreover the legality of such loader are not clear.

For WMV-9, VLC uses an open-source codec.

However if you want to code a loader for RV, you can try and add it to VLC.
This issue has been discussed over and over on this forum, use the search function to discuss it in the right topics, thanks.
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Postby evil_duc » 11 Dec 2006 00:58

do you mean that my dear "MPC" and "Real alternative" are illigale

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Postby evil_duc » 11 Dec 2006 01:58

just found out that the cursor and time do not follow on certain audio files
(the sound is still A-OK)

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Mozilla plugin for Opera

Postby chaimav » 11 Dec 2006 04:40

I am trying to use the Mozilla Plugin for Opera 9.02.

I commented out the line in plugin-ignore.ini which exludes npvlc.dll.

When I list Opera's plugins, it only shows
VLC Multimedia Plugin
application/x-ogg ogg
application/ogg ogg
application/x-vlc-plugin vlc
application/x-google-vlc-plugin -
C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\npvlc.dll
What happened to the rest of the filetypes supported by VLC? Was suport removed from the plugin? Am I doing something wrong?

Update:
I just tried the plugin with an ogg file and it didn't play properly. :cry:

I guess I'll just have to wait untill 0.9.0 or even 1.0.0 to get my VLC plugin with Opera :cry:
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Postby DJ » 11 Dec 2006 04:59

I think everyone here knows, I'm a big fan and proponent of VLC. But the release of 0.8.6 (in my opinion) was premature.

1. The remaining problems with WMP 11 or WMF 11 is that VLC does not support WMAP audio of which 90% of the videos that uses WMV3 or WVC1 also use WMAP multi-channel audio which is now completely unsupported even if you use the --codec dmo switch.

2. The new use of WMV and WMA under ffmpeg is very slow to activate under 0.8.6 and you may miss anywhere from 5 to 20 seconds of the start of any video. This assumes the use of WMF 9 for WMAP audio which is now obsolete.

BTW WMP 11 using WMF 11 shows vastly superior speed in the decoding of WMV3 with WMAP audio. Less CPU usage means fewer skipped frames. Specially for HD content in the higher resolutions.

3. While DVB cards are now supported under Linux it is still not supported under Windows.

4. Play list support is still not complete and as near as I can tell neither is complete support for some of the protocols used for streaming. Seemingly simple things like a link that refers to another link, which seems to be quite common these days as more and more websites share files, makes using VLC to receive a stream a rather frustrating experience for many end users that are used to pressing a button rather than having to learn to trouble shoot the issues.

5. With each new version of VLC MPEG 2 playback has shown a slight bit more jitter starting with 0.8.4. This includes the DVD but 0.8.6 reaches a new low in this area and for me has become to annoying to continue to use. VLC's messages are empty and PowerDVD or WinDVD have become vastly superior with each newer version.

6. There have been problems with the access module for VCDs since 0.8.2 and there has been NO attempt now in 4 releases to fix it. Considering this is apparent for all VCDs it should not take a specialist in this area.

7. While it's good news to hear that the filter modules for transcoding may finally be finished, many of the formats and containers are in desperate need of updating and for a streaming solution this is (in my opinion) the heart of any quality you may expect, using VLC as a server when the program itself wants control of the stream through any of the transcode functions. There has been allot of work by others in the open source community to make various formats and containers more compatible and VLC has fallen way behind in this area. A good example of this is OGG/OGM that continues to crash Explorer and its inability to except just a very few formats. Also the lack of AVI or Matroska (MKV/MKA) as containers further limit the usage full potential in these areas. I find it interesting that ffmpeg is now able to support these yet VLC is not.

8. On a lessor front I was on doom9 last night and it seems that a GUI supporting MP4 menus has become available. While sill in a alpha state it appears some what clumsy to use but shows some progress in this area. VLC has been able to support MKV menus for some time now, yet there is no documentation or any help regarding the usage. So DivX is the only viable solution with no usable open source counterpart.

9. While VLC is able to support VOBSub Subtitles under MP4 using MP4box it seems it does not have compatibility to Nero. As both of these offer support for VOBSubs it would be nice to see where the problem lies and an attempt to resolve it should be made. If this is at all possible.

10. Chapters in MP4 rather fall in the same category as they are now supported in the container, but there is no support in VLC. According to doom9 support for subs and chapters is available in QuickTime in a standard format and information along with references on this is also available in the doom9 forums.

11. As VLC's user base grows so has the request for the transcoding of subtitles. I realize this is not a particularly easy feat (and burning of subs in to the picture is possible for most formats) as VLC is a packet based streaming player and this could cause problems for timing in any format or container. On the other hand it would build the strength of the player in general even if there was support for only one more format that was common like SRT. The only support at the moment is DVB subs and this is very uncommon, as it provides very limited support under MPEG TS.

12. It appears there has been no work on the MicroDVD .sub format and it is still locked at 25 FPS.

I still have not had the opportunity to look at a number of areas like resolves for DV or Mjpeg support that seems to have gone haywire in 0.8.5. Nor have I looked at h.264 to see if it now supports both styles of interlacing.

I know I'm piling a lot of things on here that any Developer is going to say oh no here we go again. All it takes is time and Man Power or there are no active developers for the Windows versions. Please don't think I don't empathize with this, but you can't ignore your largest user base or continue to piss of any one making a valid request. I know I find myself at times defending VLC when I should be saying YA! I would like to see that too! I would also like to remind everyone that there are Windows emulators for most operating systems that allow a developer to work out the bugs for Windows specific code. Still, I do realize this takes time and manpower.

Also please don't think we don't all appreciate the improvements and hard work that goes into any revision as that is not what this is about.

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Postby Asim » 11 Dec 2006 11:05

personally i would agree with DJ... i think the release may have been slightly premature with only 2 test builds....

we all appreciate the hard work being done... and certainly enjoy this peice of software that will let us play/stream/transcode just about any file that's thrown at it. it's just that sometimes it may seem frustrating for the end user when some of these issues pop up. and many users simply vent their anger on the forums simply out of frustration...

however... all in all... great work for the update... ;)

and lets look forward to 0.9.0 ;)

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Postby JcyBox » 11 Dec 2006 14:29

Got a huge saturation/contrast problem (image oversaturated and very dark) with 0.8.6 under Vista x64 RC2, when using VLC to watch TV through ADSL. Had to switch back to 0.8.5. Seems like the other files are fine, only TV.

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Postby Starbuck2006 » 12 Dec 2006 12:56

I've upgraded to 0.8.6, but noticed that watching IPTV stream becomes "choppy" after a few minutes (I think the longer it stays on, the poorer the "reception"). It looks as if there was not enough bandwidth to receive the stream (which of course isn't true). Buffer problems?
I didn't change any settings in the meantime. The CPU is not at 100 % when using VLC. OS is Windows 2000 Professional.

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Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » 12 Dec 2006 13:46

Got a huge saturation/contrast problem (image oversaturated and very dark) with 0.8.6 under Vista x64 RC2, when using VLC to watch TV through ADSL. Had to switch back to 0.8.5. Seems like the other files are fine, only TV.
Change the Video output module under the preferences.
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Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » 12 Dec 2006 13:50

I've upgraded to 0.8.6, but noticed that watching IPTV stream becomes "choppy" after a few minutes (I think the longer it stays on, the poorer the "reception"). It looks as if there was not enough bandwidth to receive the stream (which of course isn't true). Buffer problems?
I didn't change any settings in the meantime. The CPU is not at 100 % when using VLC. OS is Windows 2000 Professional.
Can you provide example links ?
Have you tried increasing the cache ?
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Postby ksh » 12 Dec 2006 13:50

i got a poor wmv9 based video performance/quaility problem with vlc 0.8.6.
movies are running fine with vlc 0.8.5 or wmp11, so i guess something wrong with 0.8.6 open source codec.
is there any way to use windows default wmv codec? otherwise, i had to switch back to 0.8.5.

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Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » 12 Dec 2006 13:51

do you mean that my dear "MPC" and "Real alternative" are illigale
Nope. They don't include one each other. They use the directShow interface, that VLC can not use and will not use, since it is only under Windows.
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Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » 12 Dec 2006 14:12

I think everyone here knows, I'm a big fan and proponent of VLC. But the release of 0.8.6 (in my opinion) was premature.
Yes. We all know that you are one of the person that knows the best VLC (more than many devs).
Indeed, there are some problems left, but this release was very important especially for MacOS (native FLV and WMV). It is important to have some release every few months, after what we go down in the vitality charts, and we can't track well the problems.
Moreover, 0.8.5 was really problematic for subtitles and FLV support, so we add to get rid of it.

I agree with you, we need more testing. Are you interested to participate to the QA Team ?
1. The remaining problems with WMP 11 or WMF 11 is that VLC does not support WMAP audio of which 90% of the videos that uses WMV3 or WVC1 also use WMAP multi-channel audio which is now completely unsupported even if you use the --codec dmo switch.
Any idea what to fix for this ?
2. The new use of WMV and WMA under ffmpeg is very slow to activate under 0.8.6 and you may miss anywhere from 5 to 20 seconds of the start of any video. This assumes the use of WMF 9 for WMAP audio which is now obsolete.

BTW WMP 11 using WMF 11 shows vastly superior speed in the decoding of WMV3 with WMAP audio. Less CPU usage means fewer skipped frames. Specially for HD content in the higher resolutions.
Have you spoken to damienf of those two issues ?
Can we do better than what ffmpeg provides ?
3. While DVB cards are now supported under Linux it is still not supported under Windows.
This is one of the Mini_Projects, and I think no dev has the right kind of material and time.
4. Play list support is still not complete and as near as I can tell neither is complete support for some of the protocols used for streaming. Seemingly simple things like a link that refers to another link, which seems to be quite common these days as more and more websites share files, makes using VLC to receive a stream a rather frustrating experience for many end users that are used to pressing a button rather than having to learn to trouble shoot the issues.
Could you provide an example ? Do you have the same problem with trunk ?
5. With each new version of VLC MPEG 2 playback has shown a slight bit more jitter starting with 0.8.4. This includes the DVD but 0.8.6 reaches a new low in this area and for me has become to annoying to continue to use. VLC's messages are empty and PowerDVD or WinDVD have become vastly superior with each newer version.

This one is very problematic. could you detail it ? What kind of jitter is it ?

6. There have been problems with the access module for VCDs since 0.8.2 and there has been NO attempt now in 4 releases to fix it. Considering this is apparent for all VCDs it should not take a specialist in this area.
There has been attempts but none was successful. It has been a bit repaired. It is still a big listed on 0.9.0-bugs. Noone really understands what happens. But, yes, it is an important issue, I agree with you on this.
7. While it's good news to hear that the filter modules for transcoding may finally be finished, many of the formats and containers are in desperate need of updating and for a streaming solution this is (in my opinion) the heart of any quality you may expect, using VLC as a server when the program itself wants control of the stream through any of the transcode functions. There has been allot of work by others in the open source community to make various formats and containers more compatible and VLC has fallen way behind in this area. A good example of this is OGG/OGM that continues to crash Explorer and its inability to except just a very few formats. Also the lack of AVI or Matroska (MKV/MKA) as containers further limit the usage full potential in these areas. I find it interesting that ffmpeg is now able to support these yet VLC is not.
I don't understand what you want here. VLC can use FFMPEG muxers, so I may have missed something...
8. On a lessor front I was on doom9 last night and it seems that a GUI supporting MP4 menus has become available. While sill in a alpha state it appears some what clumsy to use but shows some progress in this area. VLC has been able to support MKV menus for some time now, yet there is no documentation or any help regarding the usage. So DivX is the only viable solution with no usable open source counterpart.
About documentation, it is going to be migrated to the wiki to help people improve it.
9. While VLC is able to support VOBSub Subtitles under MP4 using MP4box it seems it does not have compatibility to Nero. As both of these offer support for VOBSubs it would be nice to see where the problem lies and an attempt to resolve it should be made. If this is at all possible.

10. Chapters in MP4 rather fall in the same category as they are now supported in the container, but there is no support in VLC. According to doom9 support for subs and chapters is available in QuickTime in a standard format and information along with references on this is also available in the doom9 forums.

11. As VLC's user base grows so has the request for the transcoding of subtitles. I realize this is not a particularly easy feat (and burning of subs in to the picture is possible for most formats) as VLC is a packet based streaming player and this could cause problems for timing in any format or container. On the other hand it would build the strength of the player in general even if there was support for only one more format that was common like SRT. The only support at the moment is DVB subs and this is very uncommon, as it provides very limited support under MPEG TS.

12. It appears there has been no work on the MicroDVD .sub format and it is still locked at 25 FPS.
The subtitles under VLC need some work, but it means a bit of Vout Rework, and is especially complicated. Devs are now focusing on new GUI, new playlist, new libVLC, but you are right, this is number 4 on my
wish list
for VLC.
I still have not had the opportunity to look at a number of areas like resolves for DV or Mjpeg support that seems to have gone haywire in 0.8.5. Nor have I looked at h.264 to see if it now supports both styles of interlacing.
It should be supported.
I know I'm piling a lot of things on here that any Developer is going to say oh no here we go again. All it takes is time and Man Power or there are no active developers for the Windows versions. Please don't think I don't empathize with this, but you can't ignore your largest user base or continue to piss of any one making a valid request. I know I find myself at times defending VLC when I should be saying YA! I would like to see that too! I would also like to remind everyone that there are Windows emulators for most operating systems that allow a developer to work out the bugs for Windows specific code. Still, I do realize this takes time and manpower.
There are some devs only on Windows, especially Trax and Quovodis. But it is true that the devs that have the most time are under MacOS and linux.

However, you should add a bit more the bugs request, the descriptions to the trac in order they are not forgotten.
Also please don't think we don't all appreciate the improvements and hard work that goes into any revision as that is not what this is about.
Thanks again for YOUR work.
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Postby ale5000 » 12 Dec 2006 18:07

It is planned support for VP61?

PS: I know it's windows only but this can help with Real files: http://guliverkli.svn.sourceforge.net/v ... ortby=date

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Postby Starbuck2006 » 12 Dec 2006 18:32

I've upgraded to 0.8.6, but noticed that watching IPTV stream becomes "choppy" after a few minutes (I think the longer it stays on, the poorer the "reception"). It looks as if there was not enough bandwidth to receive the stream (which of course isn't true). Buffer problems?
I didn't change any settings in the meantime. The CPU is not at 100 % when using VLC. OS is Windows 2000 Professional.
Can you provide example links ?
Have you tried increasing the cache ?

Well, the example links aren't going to help much since it's ISP's "local" network. Here's one:
udp://@239.1.1.130:5000

Which cache should I try... I've tried to increase "Caching value (ms)" (under Stream output > access output > UDP) from 300 ms to 600 ms, but no difference afterwards.

Other details:
When VLC is started and I choose any channel on my playlist, it will have poor sound and the picture will be garbled (with squares and other garbage). If I stop it, and start it again after a second or two, the channel is played normally (for some minutes).
Every minute or so, there's at least some lost buffers/frames. But after about 10 minutes, there will be ~2800 lost buffers (checking the audio section of Stream and Media Info) and their number will increase every second, making the whole thing useless (if I stop and start the channel again, it will be OK for a few minutes again).

Here's the copy of my current Statistics section at Stream And Media Info:

Input:
Read at media 681572 kB
Input bitrate 4062 kb/s
Demuxed 654683 kB
Stream bitrate 4019 kb/s

Video:
Decoded blocks 40400
Displayed frames 40413
Lost frames 1 (I believe an earlier attempt had a greater number here)

Audio:
Decoded blocks 67356
Played buffers 67356
Lost buffers 2895 (sic!)

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Postby DJ » 12 Dec 2006 18:59

Thanks for the response! :) I have noticed the interest and quality of the questions here has declined in the last month. It seems in life that you are only as good as your last success which can be quickly forgotten. In software everyone looks forward to new versions to resolve the bugs encountered in the last version. I guess it all depends on the averages here as to how many people you believe can be appeased for the quantity of the fixes there was time for between releases.

1. It is my understanding that some of the codecs have been renamed and I have seen a list of changed codecs. This originally caused problems for quite a few players. I have also read reports of some people having poorer CPU performance using WMP 11. Microsoft was made aware of the problems days after the release of WMP 11 final and said they would look into the issue and try to resolve it. This is almost a month now. The latest downloads that include WMF 11 do seem to work for me without the issues I have only read about, however I did have WMF 9 installed and therefore WMF 11 would be required and the issue with VLC does revolve around WMF 11. I will try to find the list of changes again and delve a bit further into the issue. It can be noted that MPC and MPlayer do not show any issues and all the players I have tried show improved performance in WMV and WVC1.

2. This one is a bit difficult atm because of the WMAP issue. The load of WMV is quick with the --codec dmo switch and no audio under WMF 11 but there is no sync to worry about. The load of WMV under WMF 9 is definitely slower than 0.8.5 and the attempt to resolve this issue may have to wait for a resolve for the WMAP issue to be fully understood. :( As for ffmpeg I have very mixed feelings as to the problem here and will try to gain a bit more info. While MPlayer is not showing the problem in the latest release, I have not examined why! :roll: Again I will try to look a bit deeper into the issue.

3. I understand! This is Windows specific because VLC uses Direct Show to recognize the drivers. But there are so many users in the EEC waiting with bated breath on this one and I believe it is very important to the future of VLC.

4. I will comment on these playlist issues as they come back round again as I have not been saving them up. But one of the larger issues for users is looping and time to crash. As far as the protocol issues go The DJ has responded with answers in many cases lately that I have had trouble in some way dealing with. I will try detailing these a bit better over time as perhaps I have been to lax to say anything. But when I have tried it doesn't work for me either.

5. The jitter for the DVD has gotten to the point of appearing to be skipping frames and the speed of the pan or direction of the pan is not relevant anymore. Messages is blank! I have noticed the MPlayer is also a bit worse but the sync is different here so the issue is not going to be the same even though it also uses ffmpeg, which may be the real issue here.

6. The problem with VCDs is the access module seems to create a sync issue and is very noticeable in messages.

7. Support for more muxers under ffmpeg using VLC. Unless I'm missing something here??? :)

8. to be continued do to lack of time.

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Postby The DJ » 12 Dec 2006 20:52

I think the windows users are starting to see a general lack of attention by the VLC devs for their platform. I know a lot of Mac OS X and Linux users have been very relieved and content with this release.

DJ: I warned you about this. You are expecting stuff for which simply no one appears to be interested in developing it. We see a lot of action in CorePlayer and other DirectShow players on the Windows front, yet their is not a SINGLE VLC developer that focuses fully on Windows features.

I think part of the problem is that windows developers can't simply use MSVC for developing VLC. Well sorry, but there is more in the world then MSVC. Learn to use it. I know 5 IDE's myself, i see no reason why windows developers limit themselves to 1.
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Re: Mozilla plugin for Opera

Postby The DJ » 12 Dec 2006 21:03

I am trying to use the Mozilla Plugin for Opera 9.02.

I commented out the line in plugin-ignore.ini which exludes npvlc.dll.

When I list Opera's plugins, it only shows
VLC Multimedia Plugin
application/x-ogg ogg
application/ogg ogg
application/x-vlc-plugin vlc
application/x-google-vlc-plugin -
C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\npvlc.dll
What happened to the rest of the filetypes supported by VLC? Was suport removed from the plugin? Am I doing something wrong?

Update:
I just tried the plugin with an ogg file and it didn't play properly. :cry:

I guess I'll just have to wait untill 0.9.0 or even 1.0.0 to get my VLC plugin with Opera :cry:
We disabled many mime-types, because:
VLC conflicts with other mozilla plugins. VLC in many cases supports LESS features then other plugins, which is very annoying to most Mac OS X and Windows users of the plugin. This is problematic mostly because the mozilla plugin design doesn't have anything like probing PRIORITIES. You'd think that would be a very basic element of any plugin system, but in 1994 it apparently wasn't part of Netscape's thoughts.

We plan to add interfaces to the mozilla modules, and perhaps a "configuration application", so users can configure when and how they want to use the plugin (as well as disabling it alltogether).

That will probably be the only way to have the VLC mozilla plugin properly. On Linux we still DO support all the mime types btw. It's one big mess there already :D
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Postby The DJ » 12 Dec 2006 21:35

I think everyone here knows, I'm a big fan and proponent of VLC. But the release of 0.8.6 (in my opinion) was premature.
Sometimes you just have to release. VLC can't wait a gazillion years untill it supports every format out there.
1. The remaining problems with WMP 11 or WMF 11 is that VLC does not support WMAP audio of which 90% of the videos that uses WMV3 or WVC1 also use WMAP multi-channel audio which is now completely unsupported even if you use the --codec dmo switch.
Why don't you report this before the release ? I NEVER saw a bug report about this.
2. The new use of WMV and WMA under ffmpeg is very slow to activate under 0.8.6 and you may miss anywhere from 5 to 20 seconds of the start of any video. This assumes the use of WMF 9 for WMAP audio which is now obsolete.

BTW WMP 11 using WMF 11 shows vastly superior speed in the decoding of WMV3 with WMAP audio. Less CPU usage means fewer skipped frames. Specially for HD content in the higher resolutions.
It might be slow, but it's Free and Open Source, which is more important
3. While DVB cards are now supported under Linux it is still not supported under Windows.
That is a BIG feature that was NEVER part of the 0.8.6 roadmap. It's not even ON the roadmap yet, just on the wishlist
4. Play list support is still not complete and as near as I can tell neither is complete support for some of the protocols used for streaming. Seemingly simple things like a link that refers to another link, which seems to be quite common these days as more and more websites share files, makes using VLC to receive a stream a rather frustrating experience for many end users that are used to pressing a button rather than having to learn to trouble shoot the issues.
Most of this is fixed in 0.9.0, but could not be backported due to the heavy API changes. Please file specific trac reports for all remaining issues.
5. With each new version of VLC MPEG 2 playback has shown a slight bit more jitter starting with 0.8.4. This includes the DVD but 0.8.6 reaches a new low in this area and for me has become to annoying to continue to use. VLC's messages are empty and PowerDVD or WinDVD have become vastly superior with each newer version.
I have seen no issues with the Mac OSX release, nor did i hear any complaints working towards 0.8.6
Don't expect ppl to be psychic please.
6. There have been problems with the access module for VCDs since 0.8.2 and there has been NO attempt now in 4 releases to fix it. Considering this is apparent for all VCDs it should not take a specialist in this area.
This is a known issue. I have looked at it extensively, but it still cannot be pinpointed. It's not sync issues btw, it's a problem witht the calculation of the duration of the video compared to the datasize of the video. The sync is perfect, it's the conversion between msf -> bytesposition
It's still high on my personal priority list, and I hope to have it fixed before 0.9.0
7. While it's good news to hear that the filter modules for transcoding may finally be finished, many of the formats and containers are in desperate need of updating and for a streaming solution this is (in my opinion) the heart of any quality you may expect, using VLC as a server when the program itself wants control of the stream through any of the transcode functions. There has been allot of work by others in the open source community to make various formats and containers more compatible and VLC has fallen way behind in this area. A good example of this is OGG/OGM that continues to crash Explorer and its inability to except just a very few formats. Also the lack of AVI or Matroska (MKV/MKA) as containers further limit the usage full potential in these areas. I find it interesting that ffmpeg is now able to support these yet VLC is not.
They are nowhere NEAR finished. Everything is still VERY experimental, especially with regard to more advanced features as metadata.
However 0.9.0 should see USER visible support for AVI and matroska muxing.
8. On a lessor front I was on doom9 last night and it seems that a GUI supporting MP4 menus has become available. While sill in a alpha state it appears some what clumsy to use but shows some progress in this area. VLC has been able to support MKV menus for some time now, yet there is no documentation or any help regarding the usage. So DivX is the only viable solution with no usable open source counterpart.
VLC does not support MKV menu's The developer that started that work, never finished it. It works most of the time, but is not actively being developed or maintained. MP4 menu's are SOO advanced, that it's almost impossible to support them all. A lot of things are currently higher on the priority list (API design of the plugins, vout rework, teletext, new windows interface)
9. While VLC is able to support VOBSub Subtitles under MP4 using MP4box it seems it does not have compatibility to Nero. As both of these offer support for VOBSubs it would be nice to see where the problem lies and an attempt to resolve it should be made. If this is at all possible.
I never saw any samples that show this problem. Show them to me, and I will fix them.
10. Chapters in MP4 rather fall in the same category as they are now supported in the container, but there is no support in VLC. According to doom9 support for subs and chapters is available in QuickTime in a standard format and information along with references on this is also available in the doom9 forums.
Chapter support for MP4/MOV is on the ToDo list. It was never part of the 0.8.6 roadmap. Samples again would help.
11. As VLC's user base grows so has the request for the transcoding of subtitles. I realize this is not a particularly easy feat (and burning of subs in to the picture is possible for most formats) as VLC is a packet based streaming player and this could cause problems for timing in any format or container. On the other hand it would build the strength of the player in general even if there was support for only one more format that was common like SRT. The only support at the moment is DVB subs and this is very uncommon, as it provides very limited support under MPEG TS.
Let's try and get subtitle support worked out first. Then we can focus on more advanced things.
12. It appears there has been no work on the MicroDVD .sub format and it is still locked at 25 FPS.
Are you sure? I have fixed the wxwindows sub-fps box to allow float values. That should probably fix your weird problems. Also I made 3 other small fixes that should improve detection and overriding this value. I did this in the last day before the release
I still have not had the opportunity to look at a number of areas like resolves for DV or Mjpeg support that seems to have gone haywire in 0.8.5. Nor have I looked at h.264 to see if it now supports both styles of interlacing.
DV in Avi is supported in 0.9.0
DV raw HD is not yet supported
MJPEG decoder was improved, but might still not support a couple of the JPEG styles

H264 PAFF interlacing is not yet supported by ffmpeg (the only free/OS h264 decoder)
I know I'm piling a lot of things on here that any Developer is going to say oh no here we go again. All it takes is time and Man Power or there are no active developers for the Windows versions. Please don't think I don't empathize with this, but you can't ignore your largest user base or continue to piss of any one making a valid request.
No one is paid to do this. People have a life and do this on the side. You cannot expect anything. Everyone on the team is doing this JUST for fun, and not for those millions of users. Sure, we like to make dayjobs out of this, but we are unfortunately not yet Mozilla. It's as simple as that.
I know I find myself at times defending VLC when I should be saying YA! I would like to see that too! I would also like to remind everyone that there are Windows emulators for most operating systems that allow a developer to work out the bugs for Windows specific code. Still, I do realize this takes time and manpower.

Also please don't think we don't all appreciate the improvements and hard work that goes into any revision as that is not what this is about.

Respectfully
DJ
And this is the reason why most developers don't visit the forums at all. Everything i want for VLC is in the Features paradise of trac. That is where it belongs, not here.
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Postby DarknessTear » 13 Dec 2006 01:11

I love VLC but there's one thing holding it back from being the only player I use which kinda sucks because I hate having to go back to Zoom Player.

Whenever I run a fansubbed mkv file the subs aren't there. The karaoke is there but that's just because the karaoke is hardsubbed but the subs aren't. And since fansubs are about all I watch, this kinda sucks. Now when I watch the avi versions there's no problem but the whole mkv thing drives me batty. I was hoping it'd be fixed with the new version.

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Re: Mozilla plugin for Opera

Postby chaimav » 13 Dec 2006 01:14

I am trying to use the Mozilla Plugin for Opera 9.02.

I commented out the line in plugin-ignore.ini which exludes npvlc.dll.

When I list Opera's plugins, it only shows
VLC Multimedia Plugin
application/x-ogg ogg
application/ogg ogg
application/x-vlc-plugin vlc
application/x-google-vlc-plugin -
C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\npvlc.dll
What happened to the rest of the filetypes supported by VLC? Was suport removed from the plugin? Am I doing something wrong?

Update:
I just tried the plugin with an ogg file and it didn't play properly. :cry:

I guess I'll just have to wait untill 0.9.0 or even 1.0.0 to get my VLC plugin with Opera :cry:
We disabled many mime-types, because:
VLC conflicts with other mozilla plugins. VLC in many cases supports LESS features then other plugins, which is very annoying to most Mac OS X and Windows users of the plugin. This is problematic mostly because the mozilla plugin design doesn't have anything like probing PRIORITIES. You'd think that would be a very basic element of any plugin system, but in 1994 it apparently wasn't part of Netscape's thoughts.

We plan to add interfaces to the mozilla modules, and perhaps a "configuration application", so users can configure when and how they want to use the plugin (as well as disabling it alltogether).

That will probably be the only way to have the VLC mozilla plugin properly. On Linux we still DO support all the mime types btw. It's one big mess there already :D
What about the .ogg file? Is there a reason that it didn't play?

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Postby evil_duc » 13 Dec 2006 02:20

evil_duc wrote:
do you mean that my dear "MPC" and "Real alternative" are illigale


Nope. They don't include one each other. They use the directShow interface, that VLC can not use and will not use, since it is only under Windows.
ho okay that why .

thanks.

It's a great thing vlc should always stay cross platform.

P.S. 0.8.6 too soon need's improvement
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mms://207.253.121.82/TVAStream?MSWMExt=.asf

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Postby DJ » 13 Dec 2006 05:28

@ The DJ

Thanks for the reply! You are probably right and this may not have been a good place to hang the dirty laundry. I realize that every one here has a life (including me) outside of the passion for VLC. My statements were not directed at this or were any demands made as that would be down right foolish and inconsiderate.

My original disappointment was over WMv3 and the WMap issue. Microsoft rather dragged its feet on this one as I was checking both WMP 11 and WMF 11 regularly. Even then there was no announcement it just began to work, without the initial problems encountered with quite a few players. The remaining problem with VLC was reported in trac as soon as I identified the last issue. http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/883

Actually, I don't even use WMP that much to care about the update, but more and more users were showing up with problems after installing WMP 11 so I decided to try to track the issue. There is a list of changed codecs in the doom9 forums under Windows Media Player 11 if you are interested. Well it was under Software Players but in checking now it's gone. :(

I will try to get some samples of Chapters in MP4 using MP4Box. So you can look at this one. I believe in the newest version of GPAC there are 2 supported styles, I will make some short samples of both styles.

The problem with Nero came from several other users and revolved around the use of VOBSub compatibility using VLC. I no longer have Nero on my machine to prove or disprove the issue. The users samples were huge and never got uploaded. All I know is that MP4Box and VLC works in this regard.

Most of the rest of the things mentioned were from other users and were features or formats I personally seldom use. Outside of the transcode and containers mentioned. But I think it was a bit of my own frustration showing as I know there has not been time for this in 0.8.6. Good to know that there are plans to support the AVI and MKV containers for transcoding in 0.9.0 though.

The looping issue however does seem to point to a stability problem as shutting down the Overlay option resolves this issue for most users. http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/890

I am a bit surprised at your statement regarding VCDs, it still appears to be a timing error caused by the access module. But I do hope you find it eventually. http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/767 Oddly enough I can't seem to find the original ticket on this one as it went back to 0.8.4

My apologies on the .sub issue, I had checked it in one of the last tests and it still wasn't working. Just tested it again and it's fine. :oops:

If I could identify the increased jitter in MPEG 2 I would offer some clue as to why it seems to be getting worse. The only thing that makes any sense is it's an ffmpeg issue. I will try looking a bit deeper. But please remember messages is not being helpful here.

Edit: After playing with ffmpeg using ffplayer the issue in VLC with MPEG 2 (DVD) does indeed appear to be ffmpeg. Mplayer shows jumps every couple of minutes but this is probably due to it's sync method as it too has been slowly getting worse in this regard with each revision.

I hope you have noticed I am trying to identify and confirm issues before entering the info into trac. Sometimes this in of itself is not an easy issue.
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