New default skin

Postby **3breadt** » 19 Apr 2006 12:55

Concerning the Playlist/Eq Issue. The only idea I have how to realize that is that I add a third window mode. So then the Minimal Button will toggle the window betweenn Full Mode/Video Mode/Minimal Mode. Is that acceptable?
//EDIT:
What about green?:
http://altglass.al.funpic.de/d-gfx/stuf ... Green).vlt

Khamelion · Postby **Khamelion** » 19 Apr 2006 13:33

you are not representative for the whole community

I know that

I just wanna make some critics you could change. I'm not expecting that you will do what I want to, 'cause it's still your choice how to make it.
Just imagine it shouldn't be a special skin but rather a default skin. I compare your skin with Windows Media, Divx, RealPlayer, Media Player Classic, PowerDVD, Winamp, Itunes and Quicktime.
Although they look different, they have something similar and something special that must be typical for the player.
For sure this skin can't be as professional as the other players can, because there are a pack of people who utilizes with this skin.

Well, I'm not the whole community but no one from the whole community give some comments in this thread. I will appreciate that, if more people would say something.
I think it is always better to get some critics, to make it better than always get positive feedback, because it won't help by saying "Great; Amazing; It looks good".

By the way: Is it possible to put a VLC Icon on the Videowindow like Divx does? I think there must be something to recognize ' It is VLC'

I check now your new release and see what i can say about that

dionoea · Postby **dionoea** » 19 Apr 2006 13:41

Nice to have live versions available

Comments:
* You can't resize the video width (that shouldn't be so hard to change ... it might just look kind of weird).
* The small controler doesn't seem to have action="move" set.

About the playlist/eq thing, the only solution i can think of is having a third layout without those widgets ...

dionoea · Postby **dionoea** » 19 Apr 2006 13:44

Do you think that it would be possible to add some sort of glassy effect to the background too ?

Postby **3breadt** » 19 Apr 2006 13:51

* You can't resize the video width (that shouldn't be so hard to change ... it might just look kind of weird).
* The small controler doesn't seem to have action="move" set.

You can resize the Width of the Video, just resize the Window horizontally.
The only thing thats not resized in width is the playlist.
The small controller is set to move, but as the Text Item that Displays the Track Name overlays the image move control at the top. But you can drag the minimal window at every other point, e.g. the small colored bar at the top of the window or the space between the buttons.

Khamelion · Postby **Khamelion** » 19 Apr 2006 14:00

The grey color in the green and orange should be perhaps more lighter.
Your font looks great in a hight font size but when it's getting smaller like in the compact skin it seems to be narrowed. For example when "T" comes after "I" I cannot see, these two character. I only see a big line.
Also the numbers looks unclear.
I prefer Segoe UI. Here is a download link for this font Klick

The rest GREAT JOB

Postby **3breadt** » 19 Apr 2006 15:57

I have Segoe Ui and I use it for everything in my System(Im a Vista Fan^^)
But the Font is licensed and no freeware so I won't put it into the Skin. I just used the Default VLC Font "FreeSans" for the Skin. Suggest a better, free font and I'll use it.

AsMaX · Postby **AsMaX** » 19 Apr 2006 16:34

What about green?:
http://altglass.al.funpic.de/d-gfx/stuf ... Green).vlt

Personnally I prefer the blue version to the orange or green

Anyway maybe they are all too "flashy" for a default skin, which should I think use quite neutral colors. For example I really liked your "inspirat" skin, it's a pity it's already used for WMP

I also agree that the equalizer should not appear by default, but I'm not sure for the playlist...
By the way, unless you already fixed that, the "EQ" text should be anti-aliased.
About the small number of people involved in the discussion: that's why it would be nice to have a "comments" section for each skin on the site, because few people read this forum...

Postby **3breadt** » 19 Apr 2006 17:42

I don't agree with "neutral colors". I don't want to make the skin look boring.
I decided to do 3 modes:
-Full Mode with Video/Playlist and all buttons.
-Video Mode with Video and some buttons
-Minimal Mode only with some buttons(the old minimal one had all buttons)

Comments on Skin is a great idea. But as this skin is supposed to be a default one it would make no difference because it wouldn't listed in the download list.

Khamelion · Postby **Khamelion** » 19 Apr 2006 17:55

But the Font is licensed and no freeware so I won't put it into the Skin. I just used the Default VLC Font "FreeSans" for the Skin. Suggest a better, free font and I'll use it.

Hmm, it's a pity not using this amazing font, but okay.
The "Delicious" Font is i think the best to see also small fonts.
This is on of the best license-free font click

How about making the border of the window like vista, if you're a vista fan (me too ^^)
Something like this Window on that page or that

AsMaX · Postby **AsMaX** » 19 Apr 2006 18:48

Comments on Skin is a great idea. But as this skin is supposed to be a default one it would make no difference because it wouldn't listed in the download list.

Being the default skin doesn't mean that people don't have the right to rate it... the more we have feedback from users, the better it is (and even if few people take time to rate a skin or give comments, it will still be more representative than the opinon of five people talking in this forum...). And I'm convinced that it is quite impossible to guess what *most* people want.

By the way, you don't have to ship FreeSans.ttf in your vlt as it is the default font; you just have to use the reserved ID "defaultfont" (though I just realized it's not a really documented feature

)

Postby **3breadt** » 20 Apr 2006 08:08

The Delicious font is really "delicious", I use it now, thanks for the link to that great font.
BTW: The Documentation says that the file has to be TrueType, but the Delicious Font is Open Type and it works, too.

Vista Like Window Borders are not possible. Alpha blending is still not supported, is it?

And another change in development plans: No further Animations in any skin, as AsMaX said, the skin shouldn't be too fancy and animations contribute heavily to the fanciness of a skin

How much time have I left, before you need the complete skin?

AsMaX · Postby **AsMaX** » 20 Apr 2006 09:14

BTW: The Documentation says that the file has to be TrueType, but the Delicious Font is Open Type and it works, too.

Yes actually any kind of font supported by libfreetype will work

Alpha blending is still not supported, is it?

No, unless ipkiss wants to have a look at it (I only develop for linux usually)

How much time have I left, before you need the complete skin?

I don't know..

Postby **3breadt** » 20 Apr 2006 09:52

Updated Dark Blue Skin:
-Added Video Mode
-Minimalized Minimal Mode^^
-Changed Font

http://altglass.al.funpic.de/d-gfx/stuf ... -Blue).vlt

Which colors should I use now for the light Skin?

AsMaX · Postby **AsMaX** » 20 Apr 2006 10:36

Which colors should I use now for the light Skin?

The blue one is ok for me

Postby **3breadt** » 20 Apr 2006 10:45

What now, should i do a light skin or not?

Khamelion · Postby **Khamelion** » 20 Apr 2006 11:15

Great, you made a "delicious" choice

I must say this version is more buggy than the other was.
When I'm wanting to switch from the Minimalized Minimal Mode ^^ to the Full Version or Video Version, the skin disappeared

Also the video is not available in the full version. I can only see it in the Video Version.
I would also prefer Volume Control + Mute Symbol as a Volume Buttons.
I hope in the near future VLC support transparent skins

, than this skin will look amazing.
It's a great color when you're listening to music but it confuse me a little when I'm watching a video. It has a very flashy effect.
That's why i would also release a more neutral color version for a light version.
like black buttons with white border. and the background in a smooth white grey color.

Postby **3breadt** » 20 Apr 2006 11:24

ligh/black, good idea, i'll do that. I'm currently working on a fix concerning the video issue. It seems when there are 2 video controls only one is used.
The Sound Buttons will be replaced by a bar, they were just a temporary solution.

Postby **3breadt** » 20 Apr 2006 11:56

I need help.
I think I figured out a bug in the skins2 system.

http://altglass.al.funpic.de/d-gfx/stuf ... 0BUGGY.zip

When switching between Video and Full Mode, the images and buttons that change their state of visibility dont dissapear, only disappearing when the window is resized.
So please either fix the problem with the images not disappearing or the problem with 2 video controls, that only one is used(I tried to work around that by adding visible attributes to the images but... doesnt work as you see)

Postby **3breadt** » 20 Apr 2006 12:14

Light Black looks a little boring i think

What do you think?

Khamelion · Postby **Khamelion** » 20 Apr 2006 12:38

Light Black looks a little boring i think

Not at all. I'm lovin it

This skin rocks.
Yeah, it has a boring look , but that is neutral

Sorry that I can't help with your other problem

but maybe some of the developers can

AsMaX · Postby **AsMaX** » 20 Apr 2006 14:19

When switching between Video and Full Mode, the images and buttons that change their state of visibility dont dissapear, only disappearing when the window is resized.

I'll have a look at it tonight, it should not be hard to fix

the problem with 2 video controls, that only one is used

indeed you cannot use more than one vout control at the same time; if they are in different layouts it should work but I have to write a small fix for that...

AsMaX · Postby **AsMaX** » 20 Apr 2006 19:19

When switching between Video and Full Mode, the images and buttons that change their state of visibility dont dissapear, only disappearing when the window is resized.
I'll have a look at it tonight, it should not be hard to fix

OK... in fact it is hard to fix

What you are trying to do is a dynamic window shape and it is not supposed to work... It only works when you resize the window because it implies a computation of the window shape, but as this "onlyvideo.isVisible" thing was just a quick hack I don't feel like fixing that now...

I'll rather try to fix the other problem if I manage to reproduce it with your skin.

By the way, please, please, use different layouts and not different windows, layout are more efficient and were made for that !!

(PS: it is forbidden to declare a layout - or anything else - with a 0x0 size, it causes a crash on linux

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AsMaX · Postby **AsMaX** » 20 Apr 2006 21:22

In fact the video issue is quite difficult to fix too, I'll need quite more time

dionoea · Postby **dionoea** » 21 Apr 2006 00:52

Can't you try something like white/aqua for the light version ?

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