Unable to view .ts files?

[ant]

Hello!

I am not sure if this is a general problem or just a Windows port problem...

I have a broken 13 GB .ts file that won't play in regular Windows Media Players (v6.4 and v9.0), VideoLAN Client Media Player v0.8.4a in Windows XP Pro. SP2 (all updates). I can play it in DVB Viewer v4.3.2 Technisat Edition (came with my HDTV tuner; can't fast forward and rewind) and Windows Media Player Classic v6.4.8.7 (choppy/slow motion -- I think MPC uses its own codec instead of others like Moonlight-Elecard MPEG2 Demultiplexer and Sonic Cinemaster DS Video Decoder. However, both players have problems in playing perfectly.

Windows Media Player Classic did give me information about the MPEG-2
file:

ts_auto_file

Video: MPEG2 Video 1280x720 59.94fps 80000Kbps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 384Kbps [Audio]
Subtitle: DVD Subpicture [Subtitle]


VLC's log said:
main debug: creating new input thread
main debug: waiting for thread completion
main warning: drive letter I: found in source
main debug: `I:\videos\recorded\Lost and Invasion.ts' gives access `' demux `' path `I:\videos\recorded\Lost and Invasion.ts'
main debug: creating demux: access='' demux='' path='I:\videos\recorded\Lost and Invasion.ts'
main debug: looking for access_demux module: 1 candidate
main debug: thread 4120 (input) created at priority 1 (src/input/input.c:230)
main debug: creating access '' path='I:\videos\recorded\Lost and Invasion.ts'
main debug: looking for access2 module: 5 candidates
vcd debug: trying .cue file: I:\videos\recorded\Lost and Invasion.cue
access_file debug: opening file `I:\videos\recorded\Lost and Invasion.ts'
main debug: using access2 module "access_file"
main debug: pre buffering
main debug: received first data for our buffer
main debug: prebuffering done 1408981 bytes in 0s - 194125 kbytes/s
main debug: creating demux: access='' demux='' path='I:\videos\recorded\Lost and Invasion.ts'
main debug: looking for demux2 module: 40 candidates
main debug: using demux2 module "ts"
main debug: looking for a subtitle file in I:\videos\recorded\
ts debug: DEMUX_SET_GROUP 0 00000000
main debug: `I:\videos\recorded\Lost and Invasion.ts' successfully opened
ts debug: pid[20] unknown
ts debug: PATCallBack called
ts debug: new PAT ts_id=295 version=2 current_next=1
ts debug: * number=1 pid=16
ts debug: * number=2 pid=32
ts debug: * number=3 pid=48
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x4e(78) ext=0x2f63(12131)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x53(83) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x51(81) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x4e(78) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5c(92) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5a(90) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5d(93) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x55(85) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x57(87) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x54(84) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x59(89) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x42(66) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x56(86) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x58(88) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5b(91) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5f(95) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x50(80) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5e(94) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x52(82) ext=0x127(295)
ts debug: PATCallBack called
ts debug: PATCallBack called
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x4e(78) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5d(93) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5c(92) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x42(66) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x52(82) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5b(91) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x58(88) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x50(80) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x56(86) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x54(84) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x59(89) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x53(83) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x57(87) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x51(81) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5a(90) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x55(85) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5e(94) ext=0x3030(12336)
ts debug: PSINewTableCallBack: table 0x5f(95) ext=0x3030(12336)

Thank you in advance. :)

[fkuehne]

Well, as you said, your file is broken. That's why there is probably no solution to fix your problem with VLC.

[DJ]

Please consider what you are telling us! You don't tell us anything about your machine and you have a difficult file that you consider broken or at least you have not been able to get it to play correctly on any player you have tried.

The file as you reported it:

Video: MPEG2 Video 1280x720 59.94fps 80000Kbps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 384Kbps [Audio]
Subtitle: DVD Subpicture [Subtitle]

is probably taking 100% processor power. You can check this while trying to play it with Task Manager's Performance. You could start eliminating features like subs to take some weight off, but I believe the difference is probably marginal.

Not all MPEG TS files are this processor intensive, and should play properly.

I have had very good luck with Media Portal's HDTV Pump. It is a Direct Show plug-in for WMP 10 and plays most difficult TS files flawlessly. Check it out!

[ant]

Well, as you said, your file is broken. That's why there is probably no solution to fix your problem with VLC.

If that is the case, then how come DVB Viewer and Media Player Classic almost can play it?

[ant]

Please consider what you are telling us! You don't tell us anything about your machine and you have a difficult file that you consider broken or at least you have not been able to get it to play correctly on any player you have tried.

The file as you reported it:

Video: MPEG2 Video 1280x720 59.94fps 80000Kbps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 384Kbps [Audio]
Subtitle: DVD Subpicture [Subtitle]

is probably taking 100% processor power. You can check this while trying to play it with Task Manager's Performance. You could start eliminating features like subs to take some weight off, but I believe the difference is probably marginal.

Not all MPEG TS files are this processor intensive, and should play properly.

I have had very good luck with Media Portal's HDTV Pump. It is a Direct Show plug-in for WMP 10 and plays most difficult TS files flawlessly. Check it out!

DJ, see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/ab ... puters.txt for my detailed computer system (Athlon 64 3200+, 2 GB of RAM, etc.). I will have to check the CPU usage with VLC since I didn't notice any slow downs on my computer. It just didn't play.

DVB Viewer didn't have any slow down problems, but it just couldn't rewind or fast forward. Trying to fast forward causes the video to be restarted from the beginning.

[fkuehne]

Well, as you said, your file is broken. That's why there is probably no solution to fix your problem with VLC.

If that is the case, then how come DVB Viewer and Media Player Classic almost can play it?

They are more, hmmm, tolerant concerning broken files. VLC is rather picky for certain reasons (mostly since it would be a really bad streamer otherwise and preventing this is really important to us, but also due to its architecture which can't be compared with either MPlayer or MPC).

[DJ]

Please consider what you are telling us! You don't tell us anything about your machine and you have a difficult file that you consider broken or at least you have not been able to get it to play correctly on any player you have tried.

The file as you reported it:

Video: MPEG2 Video 1280x720 59.94fps 80000Kbps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 384Kbps [Audio]
Subtitle: DVD Subpicture [Subtitle]

is probably taking 100% processor power. You can check this while trying to play it with Task Manager's Performance. You could start eliminating features like subs to take some weight off, but I believe the difference is probably marginal.

Not all MPEG TS files are this processor intensive, and should play properly.

I have had very good luck with Media Portal's HDTV Pump. It is a Direct Show plug-in for WMP 10 and plays most difficult TS files flawlessly. Check it out!

DJ, see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/ab ... puters.txt for my detailed computer system (Athlon 64 3200+, 2 GB of RAM, etc.). I will have to check the CPU usage with VLC since I didn't notice any slow downs on my computer. It just didn't play.

DVB Viewer didn't have any slow down problems, but it just couldn't rewind or fast forward. Trying to fast forward causes the video to be restarted from the beginning.

I will admit that your computer should be fast enough to handle the file but didn't go and look to see what your video card was!

Your statement "DVB Viewer didn't have any slow down problems, but it just couldn't rewind or fast forward. Trying to fast forward causes the video to be restarted from the beginning." indicates a file format that is not completely supported or is in progress of being supported and is not real unusual for alpha or beta filters.

I still strongly suggest the HDTV Pump as it is the best solution out there at the moment. Check it out!

[ant]

Please consider what you are telling us! You don't tell us anything about your machine and you have a difficult file that you consider broken or at least you have not been able to get it to play correctly on any player you have tried.

The file as you reported it:

Video: MPEG2 Video 1280x720 59.94fps 80000Kbps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 384Kbps [Audio]
Subtitle: DVD Subpicture [Subtitle]

is probably taking 100% processor power. You can check this while trying to play it with Task Manager's Performance. You could start eliminating features like subs to take some weight off, but I believe the difference is probably marginal.

Not all MPEG TS files are this processor intensive, and should play properly.

I have had very good luck with Media Portal's HDTV Pump. It is a Direct Show plug-in for WMP 10 and plays most difficult TS files flawlessly. Check it out!

DJ, see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/ab ... puters.txt for my detailed computer system (Athlon 64 3200+, 2 GB of RAM, etc.). I will have to check the CPU usage with VLC since I didn't notice any slow downs on my computer. It just didn't play.

DVB Viewer didn't have any slow down problems, but it just couldn't rewind or fast forward. Trying to fast forward causes the video to be restarted from the beginning.

I will admit that your computer should be fast enough to handle the file but didn't go and look to see what your video card was!

Your statement "DVB Viewer didn't have any slow down problems, but it just couldn't rewind or fast forward. Trying to fast forward causes the video to be restarted from the beginning." indicates a file format that is not completely supported or is in progress of being supported and is not real unusual for alpha or beta filters.

I still strongly suggest the HDTV Pump as it is the best solution out there at the moment. Check it out!

OK, I will try that player from http://www.dvbportal.de/projects/hdtvpump/ and follow-up. I hope it can do display overlay on my TV (secondary display) since that is how I watch my recordings.

[DJ]

Please consider what you are telling us! You don't tell us anything about your machine and you have a difficult file that you consider broken or at least you have not been able to get it to play correctly on any player you have tried.

The file as you reported it:

Video: MPEG2 Video 1280x720 59.94fps 80000Kbps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 384Kbps [Audio]
Subtitle: DVD Subpicture [Subtitle]

is probably taking 100% processor power. You can check this while trying to play it with Task Manager's Performance. You could start eliminating features like subs to take some weight off, but I believe the difference is probably marginal.

Not all MPEG TS files are this processor intensive, and should play properly.

I have had very good luck with Media Portal's HDTV Pump. It is a Direct Show plug-in for WMP 10 and plays most difficult TS files flawlessly. Check it out!

DJ, see http://alpha.zimage.com/~ant/antfarm/ab ... puters.txt for my detailed computer system (Athlon 64 3200+, 2 GB of RAM, etc.). I will have to check the CPU usage with VLC since I didn't notice any slow downs on my computer. It just didn't play.

DVB Viewer didn't have any slow down problems, but it just couldn't rewind or fast forward. Trying to fast forward causes the video to be restarted from the beginning.

I will admit that your computer should be fast enough to handle the file but didn't go and look to see what your video card was!

Your statement "DVB Viewer didn't have any slow down problems, but it just couldn't rewind or fast forward. Trying to fast forward causes the video to be restarted from the beginning." indicates a file format that is not completely supported or is in progress of being supported and is not real unusual for alpha or beta filters.

I still strongly suggest the HDTV Pump as it is the best solution out there at the moment. Check it out!

OK, I will try that player from http://www.dvbportal.de/projects/hdtvpump/ and follow-up. I hope it can do display overlay on my TV (secondary display) since that is how I watch my recordings.

You dont need the player! Well you can if you want! I was just suggesting the Direct Show filter and plug-in for WMP 9 or 10 so you could experience HD TS files playing properly for your system.

[ant]

You dont need the player! Well you can if you want! I was just suggesting the Direct Show filter and plug-in for WMP 9 or 10 so you could experience HD TS files playing properly for your system.

Oh, it is an addon. I hope this doesn't conflict the stuff I installed from K-Lite Codec Pack (Full set -- http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_L ... c_Pack.htm).

[DJ]

You dont need the player! Well you can if you want! I was just suggesting the Direct Show filter and plug-in for WMP 9 or 10 so you could experience HD TS files playing properly for your system.

Oh, it is an addon. I hope this doesn't conflict the stuff I installed from K-Lite Codec Pack (Full set -- http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_L ... c_Pack.htm).

ArGG! In my opinion codec packs are the worst thing you can do to a computer and ffdshow is the next worst thing you can do to a computer! Invariably it is the cause of all sorts of conflicts. Meaning that some files run and some files don't they just hang or crash and it becomes a nightmare to sort it out.

But to directly answer your question: MPEG TS files were designed for the broadcasters hardware and support for these files have been somewhat linted in software. So it probably will not interfere. But don't come back here and tell me it didn't work, because I probably will not have much sympathy for you and your codec packs! Also, the plug-in not the Direct Show filter is only used by WMP 9 or 10 they are installed as a set. MPC uses its own built in filter and when you try to shut it off it does not revert to Media Portal's filter. However, Graphedit does use and report the filter correctly for the windows system.

I think that the important thing here is that it is the only thing I have been able to find that plays HD TS files correctly and it is the closest thing to the broadcasters hardware I have experienced.

[ant]

You dont need the player! Well you can if you want! I was just suggesting the Direct Show filter and plug-in for WMP 9 or 10 so you could experience HD TS files playing properly for your system.

Oh, it is an addon. I hope this doesn't conflict the stuff I installed from K-Lite Codec Pack (Full set -- http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_L ... c_Pack.htm).

ArGG! In my opinion codec packs are the worst thing you can do to a computer and ffdshow is the next worst thing you can do to a computer! Invariably it is the cause of all sorts of conflicts. Meaning that some files run and some files don't they just hang or crash and it becomes a nightmare to sort it out.

But to directly answer your question: MPEG TS files were designed for the broadcasters hardware and support for these files have been somewhat linted in software. So it probably will not interfere. But don't come back here and tell me it didn't work, because I probably will not have much sympathy for you and your codec packs! Also, the plug-in not the Direct Show filter is only used by WMP 9 or 10 they are installed as a set. MPC uses its own built in filter and when you try to shut it off it does not revert to Media Portal's filter. However, Graphedit does use and report the filter correctly for the windows system.

I think that the important thing here is that it is the only thing I have been able to find that plays HD TS files correctly and it is the closest thing to the broadcasters hardware I have experienced.

You know what is funny? I couldn't get my MPEG-2 recordings (.mpg) to work properly without these codecs. Somehow, THEY fixed the problems. Now, just need to make them work from TS files.

[ant]

You dont need the player! Well you can if you want! I was just suggesting the Direct Show filter and plug-in for WMP 9 or 10 so you could experience HD TS files playing properly for your system.

1. Tried with Media Player v6.4 and it crashed with:
AppName: mplayer2.exe AppVer: 6.4.9.1125 ModName: ntdll.dll
ModVer: 5.1.2600.2180 Offset: 00001095

2. Tried it with Media Player v9 and no play. It showed 1 second length. Not working.

I looked at properties and saw:
Program Info tab:
PAT
Version: 2
TID: 295
PTS: 03:...... <number increases>


PID Info tab:
PID: 0x0011 (17); 28830 Packets; 96.10% ISO/IEC 1318-2 video
PID: 0x0014 (20); 1134 Packets; 3.78% private stream1 - AC3
PID: 0x0000 (0); 36 Packets; 0.12% PAT

PID Statistics - (on a short scan)
PIDs total: 3
Packets total: 30000
Packet Size: 188
Stream size: 5640000


Programs tab:
Program 1; SID: 0001 (1); 0 streams
Program 2; SID: 0002 (2); 0 streams
Program 3; SID: 0003 (3); 0 streams

[DJ]

You dont need the player! Well you can if you want! I was just suggesting the Direct Show filter and plug-in for WMP 9 or 10 so you could experience HD TS files playing properly for your system.

1. Tried with Media Player v6.4 and it crashed with:
AppName: mplayer2.exe AppVer: 6.4.9.1125 ModName: ntdll.dll
ModVer: 5.1.2600.2180 Offset: 00001095

2. Tried it with Media Player v9 and no play. It showed 1 second length. Not working.

I looked at properties and saw:
Program Info tab:
PAT
Version: 2
TID: 295
PTS: 03:...... <number increases>


PID Info tab:
PID: 0x0011 (17); 28830 Packets; 96.10% ISO/IEC 1318-2 video
PID: 0x0014 (20); 1134 Packets; 3.78% private stream1 - AC3
PID: 0x0000 (0); 36 Packets; 0.12% PAT

PID Statistics - (on a short scan)
PIDs total: 3
Packets total: 30000
Packet Size: 188
Stream size: 5640000


Programs tab:
Program 1; SID: 0001 (1); 0 streams
Program 2; SID: 0002 (2); 0 streams
Program 3; SID: 0003 (3); 0 streams

People here make such broad statements we almost need crystal balls to even get ideas! Then you gave a very limited response to the questions asked! On top of that I told you it would not play with MPC and said nothing about MediaPlayer2. Considering your codec packs it may or may not play with the HDTV Pump. WMP 9 or 10 uses the plug-in so it is the only player that had a chance. Also the HDTV Pump is complient to the original specification for ts and tp files. It was worth a shot. But without further investigation and information you can consider it a dud! Now a brief explanation as to why it almost plays with your original software.

The TS stands for Transport Stream and yes it is a part of the MPEG 2 specification, originally in hardware for the professional. In software the stream is big, bulky and cumbersome and in HD TS is even more so. Most computers have problems dealing with HD TS files as do most programs. Also when some smaller companies making TV tuner cards started allowing users to use this format there instantly was a compatibility issue. Professionals started marking there files as ATSC showing that they were compliant to the original specification. Also these files do not and can not stream over the Internet as they are not very error resilient.

I have a few ATSC HD TS (1920x1080) files that continue to play through all the versions of VLC. But because of their resolution they have never played well on my hardware with VLC. However Media Portal's HDPump plays these files flawlessly in WMP 9 or 10. I was made aware this morning, that when there is no time code included with the file VLC is to revert to frame accuracy for this type of file and VLC may not be doing this at the moment.

[ant]

People here make such broad statements we almost need crystal balls to even get ideas! Then you gave a very limited response to the questions asked! On top of that I told you it would not play with MPC and said nothing about MediaPlayer2. Considering your codec packs it may or may not play with the HDTV Pump. WMP 9 or 10 uses the plug-in so it is the only player that had a chance. Also the HDTV Pump is complient to the original specification for ts and tp files. It was worth a shot. But without further investigation and information you can consider it a dud! Now a brief explanation as to why it almost plays with your original software.

The TS stands for Transport Stream and yes it is a part of the MPEG 2 specification, originally in hardware for the professional. In software the stream is big, bulky and cumbersome and in HD TS is even more so. Most computers have problems dealing with HD TS files as do most programs. Also when some smaller companies making TV tuner cards started allowing users to use this format there instantly was a compatibility issue. Professionals started marking there files as ATSC showing that they were compliant to the original specification. Also these files do not and can not stream over the Internet as they are not very error resilient.

I have a few ATSC HD TS (1920x1080) files that continue to play through all the versions of VLC. But because of their resolution they have never played well on my hardware with VLC. However Media Portal's HDPump plays these files flawlessly in WMP 9 or 10. I was made aware this morning, that when there is no time code included with the file VLC is to revert to frame accuracy for this type of file and VLC may not be doing this at the moment.

Yeah, playing these big 1920x1088 (not 1080 for me) from these *.MPG files were fine (smooth!!). The ones from TS were slow and choppy. Strange. I am trying to figure out what is different between these two file formats.

[ant]

http://www.dvbviewer.com/griga/VRP%20Ma ... neral.html was a bit technical, but it seems like I need TS Player from DVB Viewer GE/Pro?

[DJ]

In theory fairly easy MPEG was designed for the consumer. The TS specification was designed for the broadcaster to be dealt with in hardware as complete editing workstations. The inclusion of time code made it easy to edit and time squeeze to meet time restrictions. It was everything the broadcaster asked for in a digital system. It was never meant to be software based. As a hardware system it is elegant in its flexibility. As a software system it is difficult to deal with even with the fastest systems.

When TV Tuner companies started using it, modifications were made to suit the cards and the computers thus leaving the original specification and causing interchangeability problems.

H.264 (part of the MPEG (4) standard, Part 2, 4 & 10 I believe) should change all of this over the next few years and resolve allot of other issues as well.

[ant]

If anyone wants to analyze a 16 MB TS file (zipped), I uploaded it to http://www.filefactory.com/get/f.php?f= ... 594481aa21 ... I basically copied the .ts file during time shifting recording before I stopped it (file gets deleted when stopped).

Does anyone have a small .TS video file that I can try? I want to see if it is my computer, my setup, or just the bad recording.

[jsd]

Download VideoRedoPlus and try running Tools -> Quickstream Fix on your broken .TS files. It may be able to help.

[ant]

Download VideoRedoPlus and try running Tools -> Quickstream Fix on your broken .TS files. It may be able to help.

What's the URL to get it? I Googled and kept finding cracks and forums. I hope it is free and I don't have to pirate.

[ant]

Is there a way to force VLC to use another MPEG-2/TS decoder?

[jsd]

http://www.videoredo.com/index.html

there's a free trial. it does cost money but you won't have to pay until you know if it will actually help. give it a shot and see.

[ant]

Download VideoRedoPlus and try running Tools -> Quickstream Fix on your broken .TS files. It may be able to help.

Woah! It worked! I converted a TS to MPG file and Media Players played them smoothly.

I think I just need a file converter. Is there a free one or do I have to buy VideoReDo which I want to avoid?

[Guest]

ProjectX is free.

[ant]

ProjectX is free.

Is this it? http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/DigiTV/projectx.htm ... Java only?