Volume 400%

[sjlopezb]

Hi:

In VLC 2.0 not working volume 400%.

Where is it?

Because now, with this new version does not appear.

Using Debian Sid

Greetings...

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

It is gone. The new 200% is the old 400% with a non-linear scale.

[sjlopezb]

It is gone. The new 200% is the old 400% with a non-linear scale.

OK.

You hear the same.

Thank's.

[Synetech]

The non-linear scale is awful. The difference between 100% and 150% is drastic. There is no fine-grained volume control now.

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

It is cubic. This provides a much better dynamic range than the linear scale.

[Synetech]

It is cubic. This provides a much better dynamic range than the linear scale.

If by “dynamic” you mean from too quite to suddenly too loud.

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

Assuming the same range, cubic or logarithmic scale provide better dynamic ranges than the linear scale. Of course, if the actual range is different, that is comparing apples and oranges.

[Synetech]

Assuming the same range, cubic or logarithmic scale provide better dynamic ranges than the linear scale. Of course, if the actual range is different, that is comparing apples and oranges.

I haven’t done any math with it; I just know that 25% and 50% are barely audible in 2.0+ and then 75% suddenly jumps noticeably in volume. By 100%, it’s too loud. Hopefully once the wrinkles in 2.1 are ironed out, it will be smooth again with fine-grained increments.

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

Your claim is 100% presposterous since 100% is the same with linear or cubic scales, meaning no (de)amplification.

If 100% is too loud, it's time to reduce the volume on your loud speaker.

[Synetech]

Your claim is 100% presposterous since 100% is the same with linear or cubic scales, meaning no (de)amplification.

I’m not comparing to previous versions of VLC, I am talking about version 2 by itself. If you play something at 50%, it is too low and barely audible. If you raise it to 100%, it jumps a lot. My point is that there is no fine-grained, small-interval variation like there was in 1.x; it goes from being too quiet to too loud too fast.

If 100% is too loud, it's time to reduce the volume on your loud speaker.

Then even 75% is completely inaudible. That’s the point!, that the difference between ~50% and ~100% is not smooth; it jumps.

It’s like if version 1.0 of a product costs $100, version 1.5 costs $150, 2.0 is $200, and so on, in nice, simple $50 increments. Then they change their model and make it so that 1.0 costs $25, 1.5 costs $50, 2.0 costs $250… The difference between each version is suddenly extremely drastic.

I can’t imagine that you have not simply done a basic test by playing a video with 2.0+ and merely listened to the volume levels at 25%, 50%, 75%, and 100%. If you cannot hear how drastically different the volume control is in 2.x from in 1.x (you don’t have normalization on do you?), then I really don’t know how to explain it in a way that you can understand.

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

I have to disagree. I much prefer the current 0-125% cubic scale over the old 0-200% linear scale in terms of UI response.

On Linux, it's the same scale as PulseAudio uses anyway (albeit with a different maximum value).

[Synetech]

I have to disagree. I much prefer the current 0-125% cubic scale over the old 0-200% linear scale in terms of UI response.

Then you must be using the normalization or have unusual audio hardware or something. For everybody else, the difference between ~25% to ~100% is just too large and provides really poor control.

Users shouldn’t have to turn the master volume up in order to hear the video when VLC is set to <75% or turn the master volume down to have VLC at >75%, and they most certainly should not have to alter the master volume every time that they need to adjust VLC’s volume (like when a scene changes from loud to quiet or vice versa).

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

We did not invent the formula. It was used by a number of other projects before VLC: http://www.robotplanet.dk/audio/audio_gui_design/ I don't use normalization or compression and I have perfectly normal hardware.

Anyway, if you disagree, you are free to change your VLC build to your liking.

[Synetech]

With a television, stereo, Walkman, iPod, Winamp, VLC 1.x, and so on, you can turn the volume up or down “just a little”. With VLC 2, you cannot; adjusting the volume by one step either has no noticeable effect, or way too much. That’s pretty much as clear as I can possibly explain the problem.

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

You are free to tweak VLC to your liking if you disagree with the developers.

[Synetech]

You are free to tweak VLC to your liking if you disagree with the developers.

I can’t fathom why anyone would want the volume control to be worse, but I doubt anybody is going to fork it just to fix it. We’ll likely just end up keeping the old version (along with any vulnerabilities), switching to another program (GomPlayer is a good runner-up), or just putting up with the inconvenience of 2.x and cursing it every time the problem rears its head.

There’s several threads about the audio issues in 2, and it has been explained that the audio bugs are being worked out, so I’ll keep using 1.x for now and wait for it to stabilize.

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

All volume steps are configurable... Noone spoke about forking...

[Synetech]

All volume steps are configurable... Noone spoke about forking...

Actually you did:

Anyway, if you disagree, you are free to change your VLC build to your liking.

I take you are referring to the Audio output volume step setting now right? I have never had to adjust audio settings in 1.x, but I’ll try adjusting some of the settings in 2.x to see what I can do with it. (I don’t see why selecting between the new and old audio scales couldn’t be an option.)

Cheers.

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

All volume steps are configurable... Noone spoke about forking...

Actually you did:

Anyway, if you disagree, you are free to change your VLC build to your liking.

I did not.

I take you are referring to the Audio output volume step setting now right? I have never had to adjust audio settings in 1.x, but I’ll try adjusting some of the settings in 2.x to see what I can do with it. (I don’t see why selecting between the new and old audio scales couldn’t be an option.)

[Synetech]

All volume steps are configurable... Noone spoke about forking...

Actually you did:

Anyway, if you disagree, you are free to change your VLC build to your liking.

I did not.

I don’t know how else to interpret “free to change your VLC build to your liking” other than to compile a customized version from source.

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

I don’t know how else to interpret “free to change your VLC build to your liking” other than to compile a customized version from source.

Like: "change the preferences"?