Real Media

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

What's the point of making an all-in-one media player if it doesn't play everything? Just abandon your neckbeard license and make something decent, because your player sucks compared to mplayer and Media Player Classic.

See, the developers could make the plugin themselves and simply open source it without a GPL license, but they're just masquerading their LOL I H8 BILL GATE$$ agenda behind their GPL excuses.

The point is not to have a player that reads everything, but also that streams/encode the most things it can. It should work on most OSes and archs. All codecs are internal so you don't have any problem of conflicts between codecs. Using a loading external library is bad beacuse it breaks the compatibility.
Media Player Classic is only for windows and is a ffdshow player.
Mplayer needs a lot of external dlls that just work on some arch.

Moreover, shipping a GPL player with some proprietary dll, or with a very specific loader for one dll, is near the limits of GPL license.

Finally, VLC needs coders, so feel free to help.

[Summerjoe]

Weird. I have been able to play rm/ram files with vlc after installing lots of stuff. It crashes if I pause it or anything so I have to let it play normally.

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

All kind of Real files ?

Can you paste your information on those files (Ctrl+I) ?

[flocmoimeme]

I was very surprised when tried last build of ffdshow. (here) : it supports RV10 !!! (but not RV9)
Does this mean VLC is about to support RV 10 ?

[Guest]

RV10 and RV20 are the H.263-based codecs. RV30 and RV40 are RealNetworks' proprietary formats. These identifiers have been the source of some confusion, as people may assume that RV10 is RealVideo version 10, when it is actually the first version of RealVideo. RealVideo 10 uses RV40.

Score one for Real about f****d up fourCC naming.

[Guest]

The wikipedia article is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealVideo

[DGMurdockIII]

you can fin the source code for the real player here it supported by real networks https://www.helixcommunity.org/

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

Helix does not gives the source code for RV decoder...

[hbkwarez]

Ok so unless the copyrights issue changes vlc won't support .rm files.

Vlc is Best ,Freeware,Follows strict GPL

So the player like KMP or Gom that even plays rmvb file through internal decoder are illegals player although they are freeware?

Hey man where can i get information regarding integrating new decoder with vlcplayer . I think i may release that as Modified vlc player...the Evil Vlc palyer that plays rm files and yes it's a Freeware too.

Seroiusly man i am not joking!

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

First, you can use the source code of VLC to do it. You will find everything on developers.videolan.org. But you will not have the right to redistribute it.

Then, about other players, well, people have argued a lot on this issues. But everyone is not on the same wavelength. The thing has been discussed around and a lot about the kernel, and about proprietary plug-ins and API.

I advice that you read http://kororaa.org/static.php?page=gpl to see what the issues is. From what linus says, you could understand that a GPL wrapper for a closed-source windows dll is legal. That would mean KMP and those are legal.

However there is not such wrapper in VLC now.

[hbkwarez]

Thanks man i will definately try the link and to integrate it!

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

You should read MPlayer or XIne source code to see how they do integrate it

[Beta Byte]

Aren't those Real Alternative & Quicktime alternative, usable for VLC ?

[joseph5]

Aren't those Real Alternative & Quicktime alternative, usable for VLC ?

No.

[krmathis]

Aren't those Real Alternative & Quicktime alternative, usable for VLC ?

No!
* They are MS Windows only, not platform independent like VLC.
* They are most probably illegal. Since the codecs are proprietary and hence not allowed to re-distribute outside Real Player and QuickTime.

[DGMurdockIII]

cant you ask real media an see if they would allow it

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

It has been asked. Not by us.

Please, stop that thread.

[Alexsource]

You can always re-encode with MediaCoder -> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/MediaCoder.htm

[joeblow]

http://www.realnetworks.com/company/pre ... layer.html

Does this link add anything to this discussion. I am also interested in using VLC to play my rm files.

I guess I fail to understand why the windows version of VLC cannot simply call the codecs installed in windows, much like Media Player Classic does. It would be a nice feature for us windows users.

[DJ]

VLC is not a Direct Show player.

[joeblow]

according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player

"On Microsoft Windows, VLC also supports the DirectShow framework and can therefore make use of third-party DirectShow codecs."

Any other ideas why it can't?

[DGMurdockIII]

what about this dose this help at all

https://protocol.helixcommunity.org/200 ... vel_30.txt
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2326.txt

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1889.txt

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1890.txt

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2327.txt

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2543.txt

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2974.txt

[DJ]

according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player

"On Microsoft Windows, VLC also supports the DirectShow framework and can therefore make use of third-party DirectShow codecs."

Any other ideas why it can't?

The statement is in error. The only codec VLC has ever supported under Direct Show was WVC1, WMv3 and WMap under Windows only. This has now being done by FFmpeg. The devs want to maintain cross platform compatibility and VLC is NOT a Direct Show player.

[krmathis]

You can always re-encode with MediaCoder -> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/MediaCoder.htm

Huh!
Not always, since MediaCoder is MS Windows only. While VLC is cross-platform...

[VLC_help]

And if you want decoders, go to FFMPEG mailinglist. And Real Media specs aren't publically available, there would be decoder if they would be available.