Not at all. The problem is people attacking us. And requiring us to do something for them for free.Yes, I've searched the forum and read some topics. And I can clearly see that forum admin called j-b can be very offensive to people who "dare" to ask for a way to remove it because they find this icon disturbing.
First, the character Santa Claus came way before Christianity. Did you notice that Christmas date is very near the winter solstice? Most cultures have had an "event", usually "Solar event" to celebrate/fight Winter. It is very likely the Christmas date was moved to that date in order to eclipse the "pagan" "events".P.S. Once again a few words to j-b: A character named Santa Claus appears with different names around the globe, in Christianity it's Saint Nicolas, and the fact that the icno described above appears right before Christmas indicates a certain period of year - a Christian holiday. No matter how deep into icnonography you go, this hat symbolizes a commercialized, but Christian religious event. I wonder if VLC will remind about Ramadan, Tanabata or Maha Shivratri or Ganesh Chaturthi? Or maybe something not religious, like... American (and only American) independance day?
People trolling are making me waste my time. Bugs won't get fixed if developers cannot work on them...Thanks for playing me on nerves and waisting my time.
Please, please give us this option. I joined the forums specifically to ask for this.So far, noone has come and asked nicely to have an option to disable it.
VLC doesn't go on the network for this. It just checks the date locally.Wow, I didn't realize how sideways this project is; It reminds me of Gentoo with a dash of Google 'Buzz.
I'm not a religous person, each his own, but that Santa Hat sent a disturbing chill up my spine---you crossed a line; If you can't see that then VLC is a wash.
I can't imagine ANY business/admin, authorizing, VLC to run on their network as is; I don't want it on any of my gear as is. I did not realize that kind of access was going on (my fault for slack-ass checking); I only authorized update checking; naturally I had to uninstall VLC completely.
Merry Christmas
All VLC options are available on the GUI and CLI automatically.I hereby request an option to disable the santa hat icon. I would be perfectly happy with a command line switch to disable the checking mechanism*, whatever it maybe. In this way the fix is quick, elegant, and requires no GUI modification.
I know the background you described perfectly, but that doesn't change the fact, the "holiday hat" was used for the VLC icon came from western tradition and it associates mostly with Christian holidays. There are thousands of things with stripes and same much with stars and both of them. But some stars and stripes will clearly remind you of an American flag which makes that thing "not neutral" because there are people who like America and such who don't. Also there is the CCCP video pack - it won't fit everyone because of symbolics it uses despite the fact the Soviet Union doesn't exist any more. VLC has always been "flashy" enough with it's road cones, please, don't make it glitter like a myspace theme (fortunately it didn't start blinking like X-mass lamps...) on every occasion (and there are just too many occasions during the year). What you are trying to proove, you keep failing at prooving - it doesn't matter what the holiday came from, it matters what it is now. We don't live in the 2nd century where a "holiday hat" wouldn't carry any meaning. In present times it's meaning is obvious and it's associationas are clear: Christmas. Christmas is a Christian holiday. Christmas is a commercial holiday. You've got both reasons (religious and secular) to dislike Christmas. If it's a wonderful time for you - good for you, but not everyone has a lovely time these days. I like simple things, things that are "what they were supposed to be" and do what they were meant to do. As I said earlier - I don't need an another calendar reminder in my media player, so, please, let some people have a Christmas gift and give them an option to remove the hat icon. That would be a great present that'd make quite a few people very satisfiedFirst, the character Santa Claus came way before Christianity. Did you notice that Christmas date is very near the winter solstice? Most cultures have had an "event", usually "Solar event" to celebrate/fight Winter. It is very likely the Christmas date was moved to that date in order to eclipse the "pagan" "events".
So yes, Holidays near the Winter solstice matches Christmas. But it matches many cultural religious events from way before Christianity.
Actually I saw you telling someone he needs brain because he doesn't like the hat icon and becasue he thinks it's a symbol of a religious holiday.K.1 wrote:Yes, I've searched the forum and read some topics. And I can clearly see that forum admin called j-b can be very offensive to people who "dare" to ask for a way to remove it because they find this icon disturbing.
Not at all. The problem is people attacking us. And requiring us to do something for them for free.
So far, noone has come and asked nicely to have an option to disable it.
So far, noone has sent a patch to do so.
Actually I did the same after I saw some people asking about the hat removal and some replies. And I sign under you nice requestI joined the forums specifically to ask for this.
I was not offended, itwas rather like "WTF? VLC too?!?" And then I googled and found some topics here with not helping replies to people's questions and decided to write a request in this section with a detailed explanation how and why people may not like Christmas time and thing that symbolize it or associate with it. That's all. And I watched my movie with WMplayer last night. Wasn't that bad.I suppose I can see how it might be offensive to some, but the blatant offensive in response to something so benignly intended is.. ironic. (speaking of other threads I glanced, not necessarily K.1's post.)
Sure, and I guess you complain too when websites show snow or holiday symbols. And what do you say when people tells you "Merry Christmas" at a store?I know the background you described perfectly, but that doesn't change the fact, the "holiday hat" was used for the VLC icon came from western tradition and it associates mostly with Christian holidays. There are thousands of things with stripes and same much with stars and both of them. But some stars and stripes will clearly remind you of an American flag which makes that thing "not neutral" because there are people who like America and such who don't. Also there is the CCCP video pack - it won't fit everyone because of symbolics it uses despite the fact the Soviet Union doesn't exist any more. VLC has always been "flashy" enough with it's road cones, please, don't make it glitter like a myspace theme (fortunately it didn't start blinking like X-mass lamps...) on every occasion (and there are just too many occasions during the year). What you are trying to proove, you keep failing at prooving - it doesn't matter what the holiday came from, it matters what it is now. We don't live in the 2nd century where a "holiday hat" wouldn't carry any meaning. In present times it's meaning is obvious and it's associationas are clear: Christmas. Christmas is a Christian holiday. Christmas is a commercial holiday. You've got both reasons (religious and secular) to dislike Christmas. If it's a wonderful time for you - good for you, but not everyone has a lovely time these days. I like simple things, things that are "what they were supposed to be" and do what they were meant to do. As I said earlier - I don't need an another calendar reminder in my media player, so, please, let some people have a Christmas gift and give them an option to remove the hat icon. That would be a great present that'd make quite a few people very satisfiedFirst, the character Santa Claus came way before Christianity. Did you notice that Christmas date is very near the winter solstice? Most cultures have had an "event", usually "Solar event" to celebrate/fight Winter. It is very likely the Christmas date was moved to that date in order to eclipse the "pagan" "events".
So yes, Holidays near the Winter solstice matches Christmas. But it matches many cultural religious events from way before Christianity.
Actually I saw you telling someone he needs brain because he doesn't like the hat icon and becasue he thinks it's a symbol of a religious holiday.K.1 wrote:Yes, I've searched the forum and read some topics. And I can clearly see that forum admin called j-b can be very offensive to people who "dare" to ask for a way to remove it because they find this icon disturbing.
Not at all. The problem is people attacking us. And requiring us to do something for them for free.
So far, noone has come and asked nicely to have an option to disable it.
So far, noone has sent a patch to do so.
Also, if you found my post here offensive, or trolling, or or death thretening, I appologize, but that's nothing more, but an explanation of my point of view and an early respond to "holiday hat is not a symbol of a religious holiday". Actually, even if you speak about old pagan fests, they still were religious events. But it doesn't matter - I don't mind Christian or Muslim or Buddists or Shintoists or Pagan any other holidays as long as they aren't too noisy and lost in commerce. I just would prefer to not have my media player remind me of the outside world when I stay at home and relax in silence.
The whole story only preceded my nice and polite question about removing this icon. But it seems you found it offensive and trolling... I'm sorry to hear that.
Actually I did the same after I saw some people asking about the hat removal and some replies. And I sign under you nice requestI joined the forums specifically to ask for this.
I was not offended, itwas rather like "WTF? VLC too?!?" And then I googled and found some topics here with not helping replies to people's questions and decided to write a request in this section with a detailed explanation how and why people may not like Christmas time and thing that symbolize it or associate with it. That's all. And I watched my movie with WMplayer last night. Wasn't that bad.I suppose I can see how it might be offensive to some, but the blatant offensive in response to something so benignly intended is.. ironic. (speaking of other threads I glanced, not necessarily K.1's post.)
Theres a big difference between what others show on their websites & how others choose to greet you and what software you yourself run on your own hardware. It's not up to me what OTHER people do, but I do get to decide what software I run on my computer and what I want it to do.Sure, and I guess you complain too when websites show snow or holiday symbols. And what do you say when people tells you "Merry Christmas" at a store?
So, you don't like the hat. Lots of people do like it and find it funny. The obvious solution is an option to deactivate the behavior.
The thing is I, as Paul_Bags said, cannot control other people or websites and when I enter any site I often need to stay banner-blind not to go crazy because of massive attack of adverts. However, it's websites and they have adverts - that's how the internet is and I can't do anything about it. You don't choose what posters or billboards people place on your street. But if you use a media player you can expect it to be a media player and not a calendar or holidays reminder. If you buy a notebook, you shoose one you like and that suits you best and you don't expect it to suddenly become red/green/white only before Christmas, don't you? Also I can act here and do something - that is why I registered on this forum and posted a request.Sure, and I guess you complain too when websites show snow or holiday symbols. And what do you say when people tells you "Merry Christmas" at a store?
So, you don't like the hat. Lots of people do like it and find it funny. The obvious solution is an option to deactivate the behavior.
However, people are very aggressive and threatening (not you), especially people from American IPs.
There has been too much said on this stupid topic and this has wasted enough of my time. I spend most of my free time developing VLC, that helps a lot of people, but I only get insults and attacks. Don't wonder when your bugs won't be fixed...
Quietly seeking self-help, I was just looking for an option to disable the holiday icon. And wow. I'm saddened and sickened by these responses.The problem is people attacking us. And requiring us to do something for them for free.
So far, noone has come and asked nicely to have an option to disable it.
So far, noone has sent a patch to do so.
So far, noone has come and asked nicely to have an option to disable it.
Please, please give us this option. I joined the forums specifically to ask for this.
thank you,
eric
So far, noone has sent a patch to do so.
Just so that everyone can see and know... I delivered a patch for this. I even modified it based on the criteria specified by j-b, and it was still shot down. Plain and simple guys... we've been told (in no uncertain terms) to shove it by the VideoLan Princeps and Potentates. I'll keep releasing patches as necessary, and develop instructions on how to use them... but as it stands, The Fourth Reich has spoken.
Oh, seriously, 4th reich? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawJust so that everyone can see and know... I delivered a patch for this. I even modified it based on the criteria specified by j-b, and it was still shot down. Plain and simple guys... we've been told (in no uncertain terms) to shove it by the VideoLan Princeps and Potentates. I'll keep releasing patches as necessary, and develop instructions on how to use them... but as it stands, The Fourth Reich has spoken.
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