Excuse me, with all due respect -- and I truly respect the VideoLAN team -- YOU are making a little "nonsense"...The last release of the browser plugin is version 2.1.3. You´re not making any sense.
The installer contains over fifty different software components, all with their version numbers. One of them is VLC media player version 2.1.5 and another one is the VLC NPAPI browser plugin version 2.1.3. Live with it.
OK, then. At least we tried to show you and VideoLAN where Mozilla proved without a doubt that the situation lies in BOTH Mozilla and VideoLAN camps.What part of "This is a Firefox bug" do you not understand?
Complain to Mozilla. At this point, I am closing the discussion. This is a waste of time.
You have clearly not read the explanations that were given a number of times already. Or you have decided to ignore them because they do not fit your argumentation.There really is no good reason to keep the plugin as a separate version number since the plugin operates with the VideoLAN application. It creates confusion and unnecessary concerns. You could point the finger at Mozilla for noticing that your version numbering system is aberrant, but I would ask that you unify the numbering systems between these VideoLAN products which operate interdependently and are delivered simultaneously from your servers.
Firefox is also complaining on Linux that plugin version 2.1.3 is vulnerable - even though on Debian/Ubuntu (and Linux in general), the web plugin and the player are completley separate packages that are updated separately... So there you go.So when the library is a shared one, external to the application and updated separately from the application (e.g. apt-get install libavcodec) a new vlc plugin version (browser-plugin-vlc) isn't necessarily warranted.
Even though I think I understand your intent, I also think there are misundertandingings causing this discussion to go on, and really -- we need to get this straight so people (i.e. we, the users) can start bugging Mozilla rather than peppering VideoLAN's forums/support with these things!The browser, wanting to make sure their users use up-to-date and secure software with up-to-date and secure plugins. So when VLC released version 2.1.5 of the main program, it is in their best interest to alert their users to that fact and suggest they download the new version. The problem is, when asking the plugin for its version it receives the plugin version, 2.1.3. The plug-in itself wasn't insecure or outdated to begin with. That leaves the question of how Firefox is to know when they should alert their users.
The browser should not care one single bit about other software I am running on my computer except for the browser itself and its plugins.The browser, wanting to make sure their users use up-to-date and secure software with up-to-date and secure plugins.
As long as you mean VideoLAN by "their best interest", yes. If you mean Firefox, absolutely not! Why on the earth should Firefox care about which version of VLC (or Libre Office or Adobe Acrobat or whatever) I am running on my computer? I have a system distributor for that (in my case Canonical, providing timely updates to any package I have installed via Ubuntu Software market) *AND* this is the exact reason why VLC media player is checking for new versions at startup just like you point out yourself. I don't want Mozilla to start checking whatever runs on my computer, and I really don't think you do either.So when VLC released version 2.1.5 of the main program, it is in their best interest to alert their users to that fact and suggest they download the new version.
No, I don't want or need Firefox to see this, and I don't understand why anyone else would want to use Firefox as their "version control agent". In my eyes, there is nothing to fix in NPAPI to support such a thing, but Mozilla needs to realise the architecture and the fact that they cannot control the entire computer of their users.So what we want is for Firefox to see is "this is plugin version 2.1.3 using program version 2.1.5, so all is well".
Nope again. (Well, I cannot speak for VideoLAN, obviously, but at least for myself as a user...and I would guess it's very likely to go on behalf of VideoLAN as well...) If a new version of the *browser plugin* is released, however, THAT is a different matter, and exactly the difference between those two things is what this entire thread is trying to explain. (Again: If a new version of the VLC player is released, the player would tell you upon startup, independent of Mozilla/Firefox and/or whether the plugin is used, and in my case, the new version would also get pushed by my system update feature, managed by the distributor.)What I truly don't understand, even when VLC would be absolutely right in their position, is that it is in their best interest as well to have Firefox alert their users to the fact that a new version of VLC is released and that they should go and download it. Isn't that what you want too?
Yes, and this is the reason I'm getting upset, writing a lot more than I should and also reporting this to Mozilla, as in my eyes it's plainly a bug on their side! Rather than arguing in this thread, we should all push on Mozilla to fix the problem asap, as both the VLC browser plugin and Firefox are very popular and widespread software packages used by a less tech savvy audience, who shouldn't be falsely scared like this!Currently, there is a lot of doubt about how secure VLC is, because Firefox says so, and while technically incorrect, it does affect user opinion.
Sure, my comparison was maybe far fetched (or plainly stupid), sorry, *BUT* you are now considering the "branding version" from Microsoft, and your assumption about "a software suite, with all software having the same version" is false. On my virtual Windows machine, I am running MS Office 2010. However, we all know that there are numerous "service packs" and fixes (many of them also security/vulneraility improvements) pushed through Windows update all the time, exactly like what is happening to the VLC media player. if you look at the real version numbers for the products inside the MS Office package, here's what I currently have:Lastly, I do want to point out the difference between a software suite, with all software having the same version, and all of the software of the same vendor.
Well, it's kind of funny that you end by asking this question, really, since this is exactly when Firefox *should* tell you that your plugin is outdated and that you should upgrade...PS. What do you do when the plugin has a bug which is fixed? Does the VLC program (and suite) version remain the same? (download VLC version 2.1.5 now! again! because it's changed! really!)
I think we all agree, and the single thing VLC can really do is to report to Mozilla that Firefox' is currently creating a mess for both VideoLAN (whose poor people have to read all of this and answer the same questions over and over 52365 times) and for all the users.[...] then VLC and Firefox should cooperate towards a solution.
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