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Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby cs11xa » 29 Mar 2015 11:50

Hello. I have an mp4 file created using Apple TV 3 defaults on Handbrake. The codec is H264 - MPEG4 AVC (part 10) (avc1), resolution 720 x 314, frame rate 29.970089. The Audio is MPEG AAC, stereo, 48khz.

This file plays fine on PS3, iTunes on mac, VLC 1.1.10 on Windows vista, but won't play on VLC 2.2.0 on windows 8.1.

I've converted many files using these Handbrake defaults, but this is the first time I've had this problem. Have other people encountered something similar? Are there some codecs missing from VLC 2.2.0 that VLC 1.1.10 has? I actually have two files that have the same problem. Windows 8.1 is obviously not a great thing: is it possible that windows 8.1 is causing the problem? The error i get is "VLC can't recognise the input's format". I'd look at the log file, but I don't seem to have any files like VLC*log or VLC * txt.

Any help much appreciated.

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby cs11xa » 29 Mar 2015 17:23

I've done some work on this. I installed 64 bit VLC 2.2.0 instead of 32 bit, but that made no difference. I also found the log. It says:

mp4 warning: unknown box type cenc (incompletely loaded)
mp4 error: cannot find any /moov/trak
es error: cannot peek
es error: cannot peek
es error: cannot peek
avcodec error: Could not open C:\Kevin\MyVideo.mp4: Unknown error
ps error: cannot peek
core error: no suitable demux module for `file/any:///C:/Kevin/MyVideo.mp4'

Presumably the deathrattle is the Could not open....unknown error line. Are the earlier unknown box type and /moov/trak lines important, please?

does it matter that my path seems to have both forward slashes and backslashes in it?

Any help gratefully received. Thanks

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby Lotesdelere » 29 Mar 2015 20:04

It might be an issue similar to this one:
https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=124536


Anyway, please open Tools -> Messages (set Verbosity to 2) before you start the playback, and then paste the full resulting log here or on Pastebin.com if it's too long.

Also upload a short sample of a problematic file to either http://streams.videolan.org/upload/ or to Zippyshare.com (200 MB max) and then post the link to the file here.

If needed cut it with DGsplit and read here about how to do it:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57724&p=193335#p193335
50 MB max should be enough.

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby Lotesdelere » 29 Mar 2015 20:04


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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » 30 Mar 2015 14:11

It should have been fixed in 2.2.1. If it didn't, please complain.
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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby cs11xa » 30 Mar 2015 22:14

Thanks for your replies, everyone. I'm pleased to say that my file worked fine using the nightly build of 2.2.1 from the link above, so my problem is solved. I appreciate the community's expertise. Thanks again.

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby Jean-Baptiste Kempf » 20 Apr 2015 22:44

Thanks for reporting.
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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby boddhi_eight » 12 May 2015 03:48

Similar problem with VLC 2.2.1

Can play all the MP4s from my old phone, which had a 23.something frame rate, but the ones from my Galaxy Note 4, with 29.906940 frame rate, I can hear audio but get no video.

Warning & Debug messages:


core debug: processing request item: 20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4, node: Playlist, skip: 0
core debug: resyncing on 20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4
core debug: 20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4 is at 0
core debug: starting playback of the new playlist item
core debug: resyncing on 20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4
core debug: 20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4 is at 0
core debug: creating new input thread
core debug: Creating an input for '20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4'
core debug: requesting art for 20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4
core debug: using timeshift granularity of 50 MiB, in path 'C:\Users\S\AppData\Local\Temp'
core debug: `file:///C:/Users/S/Videos/VideoLibrary/MamboU/Partnerwork/20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4' gives access `file' demux `' path `/C:/Users/S/Videos/VideoLibrary/MamboU/Partnerwork/20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4'
core debug: specified demux `any'
core debug: creating demux: access='file' demux='any' location='/C:/Users/S/Videos/VideoLibrary/MamboU/Partnerwork/20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4' file='C:\Users\S\Videos\VideoLibrary\MamboU\Partnerwork\20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4'
core debug: looking for access_demux module matching "file": 12 candidates
core debug: looking for meta fetcher module matching "any": 1 candidates
core debug: no access_demux modules matched
core debug: creating access 'file' location='/C:/Users/S/Videos/VideoLibrary/MamboU/Partnerwork/20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4', path='C:\Users\S\Videos\VideoLibrary\MamboU\Partnerwork\20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4'
core debug: looking for access module matching "file": 21 candidates
filesystem debug: opening file `C:\Users\S\Videos\VideoLibrary\MamboU\Partnerwork\20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4'
lua debug: Trying Lua scripts in C:\Users\S\AppData\Roaming\vlc\lua\meta\fetcher
lua debug: Trying Lua scripts in C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\fetcher
core debug: using access module "filesystem"
core debug: Using stream method for AStream*
core debug: starting pre-buffering
core debug: received first data after 0 ms
core debug: pre-buffering done 1024 bytes in 0s - 1000000 KiB/s
core debug: looking for stream_filter module matching "any": 6 candidates
core debug: no stream_filter modules matched
core debug: looking for stream_filter module matching "record": 6 candidates
core debug: using stream_filter module "record"
core debug: creating demux: access='file' demux='any' location='/C:/Users/S/Videos/VideoLibrary/MamboU/Partnerwork/20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4' file='C:\Users\S\Videos\VideoLibrary\MamboU\Partnerwork\20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4'
core debug: looking for demux module matching "mp4": 66 candidates
lua debug: Trying Lua playlist script C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\fetcher\tvrage.luac
mp4 warning: unknown box type SDLN (incompletely loaded)
mp4 warning: unknown box type smrd (incompletely loaded)
mp4 warning: unknown box type smta (incompletely loaded)
mp4 debug: added fragment moov
mp4 debug: dumping root Box "root"
mp4 debug: | + ftyp size 24 offset 0
mp4 debug: | + mdat size 464451281 offset 24
mp4 debug: | + moov size 119399 offset 464451305
mp4 debug: | | + mvhd size 108 offset 464451313
mp4 debug: | | + udta size 66 offset 464451421
mp4 debug: | | | + SDLN size 16 offset 464451429
mp4 debug: | | | + smrd size 16 offset 464451445
mp4 debug: | | | + smta size 26 offset 464451461
mp4 debug: | | + trak size 74766 offset 464451487
mp4 debug: | | | + tkhd size 92 offset 464451495
mp4 debug: | | | + mdia size 74666 offset 464451587
mp4 debug: | | | | + mdhd size 32 offset 464451595
mp4 debug: | | | | + hdlr size 44 offset 464451627
mp4 debug: | | | | + minf size 74582 offset 464451671
mp4 debug: | | | | | + vmhd size 20 offset 464451679
mp4 debug: | | | | | + dinf size 36 offset 464451699
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + dref size 28 offset 464451707
mp4 debug: | | | | | | | + url size 12 offset 464451723
mp4 debug: | | | | | + stbl size 74518 offset 464451735
lua debug: skipping script (unmatched scope) C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\fetcher\tvrage.luac
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stsd size 142 offset 464451743
mp4 debug: | | | | | | | + avc1 size 126 offset 464451759
mp4 debug: | | | | | | | | + avcC size 40 offset 464451845
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stts size 46760 offset 464451885
core debug: no meta fetcher modules matched
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stss size 876 offset 464498645
core debug: searching art for 20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stsz size 25780 offset 464499521
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stsc size 76 offset 464525301
core debug: looking for art finder module matching "any": 2 candidates
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stco size 876 offset 464525377
mp4 debug: | | + trak size 44451 offset 464526253
mp4 debug: | | | + tkhd size 92 offset 464526261
mp4 debug: | | | + mdia size 44351 offset 464526353
mp4 debug: | | | | + mdhd size 32 offset 464526361
mp4 debug: | | | | + hdlr size 44 offset 464526393
mp4 debug: | | | | + minf size 44267 offset 464526437
mp4 debug: | | | | | + smhd size 16 offset 464526445
mp4 debug: | | | | | + dinf size 36 offset 464526461
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + dref size 28 offset 464526469
mp4 debug: | | | | | | | + url size 12 offset 464526485
mp4 debug: | | | | | + stbl size 44207 offset 464526497
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stsd size 91 offset 464526505
mp4 debug: | | | | | | | + mp4a size 75 offset 464526521
mp4 debug: | | | | | | | | + esds size 39 offset 464526557
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stts size 2760 offset 464526596
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stsz size 40420 offset 464529356
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stsc size 52 offset 464569776
mp4 debug: | | | | | | + stco size 876 offset 464569828
mp4 debug: unrecognized major file specification (mp42).
mp4 debug: found 2 tracks
mp4 debug: track[Id 0x1] read 215 chunk
mp4 warning: STTS table of 5843 entries
mp4 debug: track[Id 0x1] read 6440 samples length:215s
core debug: selecting program id=0
mp4 debug: adding track[Id 0x1] video (enable) language eng
lua debug: Trying Lua scripts in C:\Users\S\AppData\Roaming\vlc\lua\meta\art
lua debug: Trying Lua scripts in C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art
mp4 debug: track[Id 0x2] read 215 chunk
mp4 warning: STTS table of 343 entries
mp4 debug: track[Id 0x2] read 10100 samples length:215s
lua debug: Trying Lua playlist script C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art\00_musicbrainz.luac
mp4 debug: adding track[Id 0x2] audio (enable) language eng
mp4 debug: fragment offset 464451305, data 32464451305, duration 0
core debug: using demux module "mp4"
core debug: looking for a subtitle file in C:\Users\S\Videos\VideoLibrary\MamboU\Partnerwork\
core debug: looking for decoder module matching "any": 43 candidates
lua debug: skipping script (unmatched scope) C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art\00_musicbrainz.luac
qt4 debug: IM: Setting an input
lua debug: Trying Lua playlist script C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art\01_googleimage.luac
avcodec debug: CPU flags: 0x0100107f
avcodec debug: trying to use direct rendering
avcodec debug: allowing 4 thread(s) for decoding
lua debug: skipping script (unmatched scope) C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art\01_googleimage.luac
avcodec debug: avcodec codec (H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10)) started
avcodec debug: using frame thread mode with 4 threads
core debug: using decoder module "avcodec"
lua debug: Trying Lua playlist script C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art\02_frenchtv.luac
core debug: looking for decoder module matching "any": 43 candidates
core debug: using decoder module "faad"
lua debug: skipping script (unmatched scope) C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art\02_frenchtv.luac
core debug: looking for meta reader module matching "any": 2 candidates
lua debug: Trying Lua playlist script C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art\03_lastfm.luac
lua debug: skipping script (unmatched scope) C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\art\03_lastfm.luac
core debug: no art finder modules matched
core debug: art not found for 20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4
lua debug: Trying Lua scripts in C:\Users\S\AppData\Roaming\vlc\lua\meta\reader
lua debug: Trying Lua scripts in C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\reader
lua debug: Trying Lua playlist script C:\Program Files (x86)\VideoLAN\VLC\lua\meta\reader\filename.luac
core debug: no meta reader modules matched
core debug: `file:///C:/Users/S/Videos/VideoLibrary/MamboU/Partnerwork/20150508_AndreVanessa.mp4' successfully opened
mp4 debug: track[Id 0x1] using Sync Sample Box (stss)
mp4 debug: stss gives 0 --> 0 (sample number)
mp4 debug: track[Id 0x2] does not provide Sync Sample Box (stss)
core debug: Buffering 0%
core debug: Buffering 0%
core debug: Buffering 9%
core debug: Buffering 11%
core debug: Buffering 16%
faad warning: decoded zero sample
core debug: Buffering 22%
core debug: Buffering 23%
core debug: Buffering 31%
core debug: Buffering 33%
core debug: Buffering 38%
core debug: reusing audio output
directsound debug: Opening DirectSound Audio Output
core debug: Buffering 44%
core debug: Buffering 45%
core debug: Buffering 52%
avcodec debug: available hardware decoder output format 61 (dxva2_vld)
avcodec debug: available software decoder output format 0 (yuv420p)
core debug: looking for hw decoder module matching "none": 1 candidates
core debug: no hw decoder modules matched
core debug: Buffering 55%
core debug: Buffering 59%
core debug: Buffering 66%
core debug: Buffering 66%
core debug: Buffering 73%
core debug: Buffering 78%
core debug: Buffering 80%
core debug: Buffering 87%
core debug: Buffering 89%
core debug: Buffering 95%
core debug: looking for text renderer module matching "any": 2 candidates
core debug: Stream buffering done (301 ms in 6 ms)
freetype debug: Using Arial as font from file C:\Windows\Fonts\arial.ttf
freetype debug: Using Courier New as mono-font from file C:\Windows\Fonts\cour.ttf
freetype debug: using fontsize: 2
core debug: using text renderer module "freetype"
core debug: looking for video filter2 module matching "any": 58 candidates
swscale debug: 32x32 (32x32) chroma: YUVA -> 16x16 (16x16) chroma: RGBA with scaling using Bicubic (good quality)
core debug: using video filter2 module "swscale"
core debug: looking for video filter2 module matching "any": 58 candidates
yuvp debug: YUVP to YUVA converter
core debug: using video filter2 module "yuvp"
core debug: Deinterlacing available
core debug: deinterlace 0, mode blend, is_needed 0
core debug: Opening vout display wrapper
core debug: looking for vout display module matching "any": 11 candidates
direct3d debug: creating Vout EventThread
direct3d debug: Win32VoutCreateWindow
core debug: looking for vout window hwnd module matching "qt4,any": 3 candidates
qt4 debug: requesting video window...
directsound debug: Windows speaker config: Stereo and stream has 2 channels, using 2 channels
qt4 debug: Video was requested 0, 0
core debug: using vout window hwnd module "qt4"
core debug: output 'f32l' 48000 Hz Stereo frame=1 samples/8 bytes
core debug: looking for audio volume module matching "any": 2 candidates
core debug: using audio volume module "float_mixer"
core debug: input 'f32l' 48000 Hz Stereo frame=1 samples/8 bytes
core debug: looking for audio filter module matching "scaletempo": 14 candidates
scaletempo debug: format: 48000 rate, 2 nch, 4 bps, fl32
scaletempo debug: params: 30 stride, 0.200 overlap, 14 search
scaletempo debug: 1.000 scale, 1440.000 stride_in, 1440 stride_out, 1152 standing, 288 overlap, 672 search, 2400 queue, fl32 mode
core debug: using audio filter module "scaletempo"
core debug: conversion: 'f32l'->'f32l' 48000 Hz->48000 Hz Stereo->Stereo
core debug: conversion pipeline complete
core debug: conversion: 'f32l'->'f32l' 48000 Hz->48000 Hz Stereo->Stereo
core debug: conversion pipeline complete
core debug: looking for audio resampler module matching "any": 3 candidates
core debug: using audio resampler module "samplerate"
core debug: End of audio preroll
direct3d debug: created video sub-window
direct3d debug: Vout EventThread running
direct3d debug: disabling screen saver
direct3d debug: Direct3d Device: AMD Radeon(TM) HD 6520G 4098 38471 0
core debug: VoutDisplayEvent 'resize' 1936x1118 window
direct3d warning: trying surface pixel format: YV12
direct3d debug: selected surface pixel format is YV12
direct3d debug: Using D3DTEXF_LINEAR for minification
direct3d debug: Using D3DTEXF_LINEAR for magnification
direct3d debug: Direct3D scene created successfully
direct3d debug: Direct3D device adapter successfully initialized
core debug: using vout display module "direct3d"
core debug: original format sz 1920x1090, of (0,0), vsz 1920x1080, 4cc I420, sar 1:1, msk r0x0 g0x0 b0x0
core debug: Adding 'rotate' as interactive
core debug: looking for video filter2 module matching "rotate": 58 candidates
core debug: using video filter2 module "rotate"
core debug: Filter 'rotate' (1410e084) appended to chain
core debug: Adding 'adjust' as interactive
core debug: looking for video filter2 module matching "adjust": 58 candidates
core debug: using video filter2 module "adjust"
core debug: Filter 'adjust' (1410e3ac) appended to chain
core debug: removing module "freetype"
core debug: looking for text renderer module matching "any": 2 candidates
core debug: VoutDisplayEvent 'resize' 1122x702 window
freetype debug: Using Arial as font from file C:\Windows\Fonts\arial.ttf
freetype debug: Using Courier New as mono-font from file C:\Windows\Fonts\cour.ttf
freetype debug: using fontsize: 2
core debug: using text renderer module "freetype"
avcodec warning: plane 0 not aligned
avcodec warning: disabling direct rendering
core debug: End of video preroll
core debug: Received first picture
core debug: Decoder wait done in 927 ms
core warning: buffer too late (-210355 us): dropped
core warning: buffer too late (-190021 us): dropped
core warning: buffer too late (-169688 us): dropped
core warning: buffer too late (-149355 us): dropped
core warning: buffer too late (-129021 us): dropped
core warning: buffer too late (-108688 us): dropped
core warning: buffer too late (-88355 us): dropped
core warning: buffer too late (-68021 us): dropped
core warning: playback too late (76604): up-sampling
core warning: picture is too late to be displayed (missing 305 ms)
core warning: picture is too late to be displayed (missing 279 ms)
core warning: picture is too late to be displayed (missing 263 ms)
core warning: picture is too late to be displayed (missing 448 ms)
core warning: picture is too late to be displayed (missing 420 ms)
core warning: picture is too late to be displayed (missing 391 ms)
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
core debug: auto hiding mouse cursor
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
avcodec warning: More than 4 late frames, dropping frame
core debug: incoming request - stopping current input
core debug: control: stopping input
core debug: incoming request - stopping current input
core debug: finished input
core warning: can't get output picture
core debug: removing module "avcodec"
core warning: can't get output picture
core warning: can't get output picture
avcodec debug: ffmpeg codec (H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10)) stopped
core debug: killing decoder fourcc `h264', 82 PES in FIFO
core debug: auto hiding mouse cursor
core debug: saving a free vout
core debug: reusing provided vout
qt4 debug: Qt: Fullscreen state changed
core debug: Filter 1410e084 removed from chain
core debug: removing module "rotate"
core debug: Filter 1410e3ac removed from chain
core debug: removing module "adjust"
core debug: Adding 'rotate' as interactive
core debug: looking for video filter2 module matching "rotate": 58 candidates
core debug: using video filter2 module "rotate"
core debug: Filter 'rotate' (1410e3ac) appended to chain
core debug: Adding 'adjust' as interactive
core debug: looking for video filter2 module matching "adjust": 58 candidates
core debug: using video filter2 module "adjust"
core debug: Filter 'adjust' (1410e084) appended to chain
core debug: removing module "faad"
core debug: killing decoder fourcc `mp4a', 0 PES in FIFO
core debug: removing module "samplerate"
core debug: removing module "scaletempo"
directsound debug: closing audio device
core debug: removing module "float_mixer"
core debug: keeping audio output
core debug: removing module "mp4"
mp4 debug: freeing all memory
core debug: removing module "record"
core debug: removing module "filesystem"
core debug: Program doesn't contain anymore ES
core debug: incoming request - stopping current input
core debug: dead input
core debug: destroying useless vout
core debug: removing module "direct3d"
direct3d debug: Direct3D scene released successfully
qt4 debug: IM: Deleting the input
direct3d debug: Win32 Vout EventThread terminating
direct3d debug: Win32VoutCloseWindow
direct3d debug: WinProc WM_DESTROY
core debug: Filter 1410e3ac removed from chain
core debug: removing module "rotate"
core debug: Filter 1410e084 removed from chain
core debug: removing module "adjust"
qt4 debug: releasing video...
qt4 debug: Video is not needed anymore
core debug: removing module "freetype"
core debug: removing module "yuvp"
core debug: removing module "swscale"

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby Lotesdelere » 12 May 2015 12:21

Similar problem with VLC 2.2.1
Can play all the MP4s from my old phone, which had a 23.something frame rate, but the ones from my Galaxy Note 4, with 29.906940 frame rate, I can hear audio but get no video.
Please upload a short sample of a problematic file to either http://streams.videolan.org/upload/ or to Zippyshare.com (200 MB max) and then post the link to the file here.

If needed cut it with DGsplit and read here about how to do it:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57724&p=193335#p193335
50 MB max should be enough.

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby boddhi_eight » 05 Jul 2015 02:18

Sorry for delay, but finally did so (to streams.videolan.org). Left Trac Ticket blank as I had no idea.

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby Lotesdelere » 05 Jul 2015 08:21

finally did so (to streams.videolan.org)
This video is playing fine for me with VLC 2.2.1 on a regular PC. I can see a kitchen with something that looks like tea boiling on the cooker.

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby boddhi_eight » 06 Jul 2015 08:13

That's good to know...did you see the error messages in my May 11 post? Seeing the same types of errors now. Can that provide a clue as to what the problem is?

Like I said, I can play other MP4s (like from my older phone) just fine. With these, I get audio, and a frozen still shot.

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Re: Mp4 file plays on VLC 1.1.10 but not VLC 2.2.0

Postby Poldy » 08 Oct 2015 22:04

I opend a ticked (#15622) and moved the sample to http://streams.videolan.org/issues/15622/

not useful information for non developers, i'm sorry :)


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