c-korn ppa dead where to get 1.1.x now?

[FORCE]

Windows always gets fastest updates like king on chair but now c-korn ppa is dead and cannot find correct builds anymore for Ubuntu that has vp8 support too...

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

It's already been in the official Ubuntu Maverick repositories for a while.

[FORCE]

What about Lucid? c-korn was only correct place to get it as i know?

[andrew46]

What about Lucid?

If you were willing to live a little closer to the bleeding edge you could try building the development version under Ubuntu. This guide is currently aimed at Lucid, it is not 'official' in any sense of the word:

Howto: Build the development version of vlc under Ubuntu
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1398119

It would not be too hard to modify this to suit the release version of vlc rather than the development vrsion if you wished...

Andrew

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

The development (1.2) version is available as a PPA from the VideoLAN group on Launchpad, credits to the Benjamin Drung.

[FORCE]

Where to get stable 1.1.2 for 10.04 with ffmpeg or Windows is really only what gets best of care only??

EDIT:
Looks like really only hope is nvidia vdpau team ppa with 1.2 currently.

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

I don't think it's even remotely fair to say that the project cares only about Windows.

But while all Windows versions and vendors (well, there's only one), and their tens of millions of users, are covered with a single build, one dedicated build is required for every version and platform of every Linux distribution. This is not something that the VideoLAN project will ever be able to do. And there is really no good support for third party installers on Linux. This is so true that one of the key Ubuntu developers even admitted it on its blog recently (can't remember the name). The demise of the c-korn PPA is just an example of how badly things can go wrong when you add third party packages on a Linux distro.

[FORCE]

No i do not accuse VLC ever (best player in world) that you care of Windows but i think you should target Ubuntu that future of all distros. Linux main problem is that dominating distro is needed to make bright future. Perhaps to make portable VLC for Ubuntu like http://www.portablelinuxapps.org/ (binaries support several major distros out of box), test it and you will see.

Windows has .7z release extract and run
Ubuntu and some other big distro should be like on portablelinuxapps

VLC long live forever.

[grikdog]

This is a bizarre turn off events. Lucid is Ubuntu's LTS edition. LTS stuff is supposed to be supported if you put it in the LTS Synaptic archives. And, of course, the whole point of LTS is to avoid the "bleeding edge," especially development versions of the next beta of Maverick. If I were running Slackware, I'd be in seventh heaven and build 1.1.2 from source, but I'm not, so I'm not, and I don't.

[Michele]

Maybe this could help (at least for now): https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archiv ... lter=lucid

[FORCE]

Maybe this could help (at least for now): https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archiv ... lter=lucid

Thanks a lot you saved my life, everything i need VLC with vp8 support.

[Michele]

Maybe this could help (at least for now): https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archiv ... lter=lucid

Thanks a lot you saved my life, everything i need VLC with vp8 support.

you're Welcome!

[andrew46]

Hi grikdog,

And, of course, the whole point of LTS is to avoid the "bleeding edge," especially development versions of the next beta of Maverick. If I were running Slackware, I'd be in seventh heaven and build 1.1.2 from source, but I'm not, so I'm not, and I don't.

I guess there are a few choices then, you could simply stay with the version of vlc made available by the Ubuntu developers. Probably a poor choice. You could formally request the newest version be made available through backport, this way both you and the distro would benefit. You could search for another PPA although closing of the Korn PPA should provide a lesson there surely? Or you could learn to build it yourself. There are guides on the Ubuntu Forums for this and some skilled people to assist.

Running an LTS has never meant that you cannot explore and learn...

Andrew

[Michele]

I think this PPA is very good!
Today Vlc is been updated to the 1.1.3 release, but this VLC version has support for Video Acceleration and VP8 Codec, so I don't think it should be good for all systems.


EDIT:No problems instead! I've installed it on my system with a normal video card (NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE), not only it works good, but it seems to work better with HD videos (1080p), maybe because with this ppa you have to upgrade FFMPEG and libva!

I can not believe it!

Bye Bye c-korn!!!!!!!!

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

VLC cannot simply be compiled and work properly, or even work at all, on all Linux distros and versions of a given architecture. Even within Ubuntu, binary compatibility across versions is poor - new incompatible versions of many libraries are installed, and old versions become unsupported. So just for Ubuntu, we would need to maintain something like 4 different packages for each architecture And to get the most of recent VLC, you need not only an up-to-date VLC, but also up-to-dates libraries. There is no way to update underlying libraries without risking a breakage of other applications, or conflicts with future Ubuntu updates. Just look at the combined set of dependencies of the vlc-nox and vlc... you get the idea.

Sure, with a large but nevertheless finite amount of trickery, one could build a mostly statically-linked VLC that would work on most Linux i386 distributions. But it would require a lot of work, which implies a lot of time and motivation. And I need to mention that this would not integrate with the desktop menus, MIME types associations, the browsers (plugin). The distributions have ignored that problem, because it only affects third party developers, not the distributions.

[slumbergod]

Thanks, the new repo works for me. I hope c-korn gets back at some point. His repo was always so reliable for me.

[jmanners]

I'm not sure I agree with slumbergod in his assessment of the reliability of c-korn repos. Some people are saying that they sincerely hope c-korn never comes back. And that his track record of breakage is breathtaking and spans many years, distros and delivery methods. And that if there is a way for Mr Korn to deliver breakage straight to your system, you can be sure he has or will utilise it.

I'm not sure that the Nate Muench PPA is any better to be honest. It has replacement ffmpeg/libav* packages that (how can I put this politely) may cause unintended collateral damage to other applications, maybe not now or tomorrow but soon, as surely as day follows night.

This is the exact same issue that the thread on the much-maligned debian-multimedia ("Marillat") repo for Debian deals with. Third-party repos have a nasty habit of providing broken libraries to replace core system (media) libraries, thus causing breakage and recriminations all round.

So maybe the best way around this is what andrew46 suggested : a formal request for backporting. But don't hold your breath, I have a feeling that they will just tell you to use the packaged version, or upgrade to 10.10 Maverick, when it comes.

[Michele]

I'm not sure that the Nate Muench PPA is any better to be honest. It has replacement ffmpeg/libav* packages that (how can I put this politely) may cause unintended collateral damage to other applications, maybe not now or tomorrow but soon, as surely as day follows night.

I can tell you something: I couldn't care less for now!!!

I've never got a better VLC build than this! Finally I can play my HD videos without problems, it seems like to have a new PC with a powerful video card and now I can get rid of any other Video Player like Xine or mplayer, just because I've updated ffmpeg.

Only now I can say: VLC is the best!!!

[jmanners]

Michele, looks like I was right after all ...

The Nate Muench PPA has broken ffmpeg packages, and so if you install those, all your other media/editing apps that depend on ffmpeg will break. And it is an *enormous* hassle restoring all the libs to their previous state. It doesn't give me any pleasure at all to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it something that absolutely has to be said.

There is another PPA gaining some support, and altho I can't vouch for the quality of the VLC build, at least it does not replace core system media libraries with broken ones. It comes from Roberto at LFFL. Anyways, to use this PPA :

1. If you have them, get rid of c-korn and n-muench PPAs from your system completely, and restore all the libs to their previous versions. If you don't know how to do this, perhaps Michele can help you ....

2. Add the repo : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ferramroberto/vlc && sudo apt-get update

3. Install VLC : sudo apt-get install vlc

4. If you already have the (old) VLC installed, just upgrade it.

At the risk of being repetitive, I feel I have to make the point very clearly : adding 3rd party repos to your system is an inherently dangerous procedure, and you should only add repos that provide what you need without trashing other packages. Both c-korn and n-muench (and indeed the latest Cristoph Korn montrosity, the “GNOME Media Player Development PPA”) have broken packages, and if you use them, you will break your system.

Could people here please stop giving bad advice to other users. Either that, or be prepared to help restore peoples' systems. There are far too many short-sighted cut-and-paste merchants, if you ask me.

This was a public service announcement.

[Michele]

Michele, looks like I was right after all ...

The Nate Muench PPA has broken ffmpeg packages, and so if you install those, all your other media/editing apps that depend on ffmpeg will break.

What??? What other media/editing apps are you talking about? I tested the new ffmpeg with avidemux, totem, xine, winff, PiTiVi and I surely have no problem.

Could people here please stop giving bad advice to other users.

Sorry, are you talking to me?

I did not say "I recommend you to install it", I just reported my personal experience (that is absolutely great ) then everyone thinks for themselves!

If you have them, get rid of c-korn and n-muench PPAs from your system completely, and restore all the libs to their previous versions. If you don't know how to do this, perhaps Michele can help you ....

Of course I can.

[Rémi Denis-Courmont]

It is simply: new FFmpeg library = broken old applications.
Unless absolutely ALL of FFmpeg libraries are using separate shared object versions (the first number after lib*.so. in the filename, and the last number of the package name). Unfortunately, it seems more if not all third party repositories fail to define appropriate Breaks or Conflicts statements in their FFmpeg packages.

That's why I said static linking (rather than updating system libraries) is the only sane way to make third party multimedia applications packages. But no packagers does this because it is a lot more work hell, and is considered "bad practice" by distributions.

[feranick]

Up-to-date versions of vlc (1.1.x) with full support for ffmpeg 0.6.x in Lucid are available here:

https://launchpad.net/~lucid-bleed/+archive/ppa

(note that this is also suggested in the official download page).