Strange problem playing TS files

[Warzel]

For my HTPC (WinXPpro, P4 2.4, 512Mb, 9800pro) i use the latest VLC for playing TS (transport stream) files (1080i HDTV).But i can only start these files by double clicking them from within explorer. VLC starts and plays them without problem (CPU load +/- 75%).

If I open the same video file via "File" "Open" or "quick open" i get no picture and the PC is not responding anymore (CPU load 100%). VLC stay in its initial starting format.

The file seems to be in some sort of fastforward since the little slider moves at a rate not corresponding with the length of the video file.

Problem is I can't load subtitle files this way.

I tryed naming the subtitle film the same as the movie, VLC should display the subtitles automatic but this is not the case,?? it works with AVI files though.

I tryed some different stream settings but no result, am i doing something wrong ??

[Guest]

UPDATE:

Found the following error messages

main error: option sub-original-fps does not exist

and many times:
main error: demux doesn't like DEMUX_GET_TIME

it seems that the subtitle file itself is responsable for this as I can open the movie file without problems if I disable al subtitle options.

I searched the forum for an answer but didn't find any

[Guest]

I have the same problem, when playing HDTV in .ts format.
getting this message:

main warning: resampling stopped after 16672500 usec (drift: 534)
main error: option sub-original-fps does not exist
ts warning: discontinuity received 0x9 instead of 0x5 (pid=17)
ts warning: discontinuity received 0x5 instead of 0xc (pid=20)
ts debug: PATCallBack called
ts debug: PMTCallBack called

I can also click on the movie and it plays, but no subtitles i showing.

Is there anybody getting vlc and external subs working for HDTV .ts movies?

[DJ]

I will admit I am sorta guessing on this one, because your CPU is really to slow the GPU is doing all the work. When you try to add subs that were never intended for a TS format (to be external) it sends the system over the edge. The subtitles your are getting indeed must be form a second source that may or may not match (be in sync) with the video.

But what you could try is one of the newer nightly builds as the subtitles module has been rebuilt and works considerably better than the original release. This still may not resolve your problem with 1080p TS files though.

[Guest]

I do not think its the cpu, the movie im testing now, takes 50% of the cpu (its running with no problem when not using subs) and about the subs not beeing in sync, you are correct the subs are not in sync when i get them, but i am using Subtitle Workshop for making them in sync, this movie is running smooth (with picture) in Subtitle Workshop there are not any subs, before or after the movie begins or ends, the subs are working ok with bs-player, also Vob Sub is working with bs-player, but the cpu is at 98% with bs-player so the movie is not running smooth.

I have tried the latest nightly builds, it did not help, I also tried using ISO-8859-1 in the Subtitles text encoding dialog, It does not help (main error: option sub-original-fps does not exist) , but that is not so strange i think because the movie (not using subs at all ) only plays when starting from the moviefile, so it for to start with subs but not without i dont find likely.

the not hdtv movies i tried, I have to use the file menu and select movie and subfiles manually. The subs are not displayed if starting from a file.

The subs im using is .srt subs and named exacly as the movies

the subs are looking like this:

the one not working:

1
00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,200
Stopp!

2
00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,560
Döda Lara Croft

I have also tried renaming the not hdtv movie to same name as the hdtv movie and using the sub from the hdtv movie and then the hdtv sub are working.

It could be the cpu, but i think displaying the subs shoulden't need to take that much extra cpu, I have now tested the sub with another hdtv movie that i can start using the file menu, if I try using the sub on that one, I get the same problem with not displaying any picture at all, and 100% cpu usage.

[tonsofpcs]

What are the Video, Audio, and Encapsulation codecs for these 'HDTV movies', and what are the same for the non-'HDTV movies'??

When you play the 'HDTV movie', do you see the current time and total time in the status bar?

[Guest]

Im not quite sure what u mean, but I'l make a try...

hdtv video mpgv audio a52



not hdtv video mpga audio 2 channels sampl rate 48000Hz bitrate 126kb/s duration 0:42:51

[DJ]

From everything you have described thus far the problems with playing the files only occur when trying to use external subtitles.

External subtitles must be named with the same name as the video file and it is best that they exist in the same directory. Text sub files will try to load automatically but all other types will need to be opened manually using the open, open file dialog.

Your HD videos (1080p MPEG-TS) files are labor intensive for your machine. If you were to shut down DirectX it would be doubtful that the file would play. The GPU is doing most of the work.

Here is where I am guessing. I have never tried am MPEG-TS files with external subtitles. But MPEG-TS was designed to have the subtitles multiplexed into the stream. Every packet of the TS file that passes through your machine has timing information and somehow the external sub file is disrupting this.

The easy test would be to choose a lower definition file (480p) and try to do the same thing. If it works you will know.

The format of MPEG-2 with ac3 audio in a MPEG-TS container is rather normal and I see no problem here. But if you are still questioning all of this please post a Messages file here.

Perhaps one of the developers will be able to lend a hand with this.

[tonsofpcs]

I really hate repeating myself.

When you play the 'HDTV movie', do you see the current time and total time in the status bar?

[Guest]

I will try to find a .ts file with lower resolution,

This is messages for 1080i file with subs (do not work)

main error: decoder is leaking pictures, resetting the heap
main error: picture 012F0608 refcount is -1
main error: picture to date 012F0718 has invalid status 6
main error: picture to display 012F0718 has invalid status 6
main error: picture 012F0718 refcount is -1
main debug: decoded 123/129 pictures
main warning: resampling stopped after 18293729 usec (drift: -24081)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16688)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16688)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16688)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16688)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main error: option sub-original-fps does not exist
ts warning: discontinuity received 0x9 instead of 0x5 (pid=17)
ts warning: discontinuity received 0x5 instead of 0xc (pid=20)
ts debug: PATCallBack called
ts debug: PMTCallBack called
ts warning: discontinuity received 0xf instead of 0xa (pid=17)


This is messages from same movie without subs (working)


main error: decoder is leaking pictures, resetting the heap
main error: picture 012DF5B0 refcount is -1
main error: picture to date 012DF6C0 has invalid status 6
main error: picture to display 012DF6C0 has invalid status 6
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main error: picture 012DF6C0 refcount is -1
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16688)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
-----------------similar as above---------------------------
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
main debug: decoded 49/120 pictures
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16689)
main warning: backward_pts != dts (16678)
-----------------similar as above-------------------------

[Guest]

The current time and total time in the status bar only shows 0 when i play hdtv

[DJ]

I apologize as somehow I missed the fact that this file is a 1080i and not a 1080p file.

The 1080i should be easier to play, however the messages indicate that there are encoding problems and I wouldn't think the file plays well even without the subtitles file.

[Guest]

You are correct it is not playing smooth until i jump back and forth in the move then the messages stop, this is not an isolated problem it is the same with all my hdtv .ts movies about a dozen or so, most of them plays well in Subtitle Workshop, so i can adjust the subs to the hdtv movies.

But it would be good if i could watch them with subs in vlc.

I often have to adjust subs like ntsc to pal and put them into sync, I have also added subs to DVD movies and burned them back to DVD:s playebly by standalone DVD players, I have no problems with my subs in any other players.

It would be nice to hear someone that have managed to get subs working with hdtv .ts movies with subs, on any (fast) machine (Mine is a XP3200+ with 1gig mem and 6600GT graphicscard)

I will try to find some .ts movies with lower resolution to test.

[DJ]

You are correct it is not playing smooth until i jump back and forth in the move then the messages stop, this is not an isolated problem it is the same with all my hdtv .ts movies about a dozen or so, most of them plays well in Subtitle Workshop, so i can adjust the subs to the hdtv movies.

But it would be good if i could watch them with subs in vlc.

I often have to adjust subs like ntsc to pal and put them into sync, I have also added subs to DVD movies and burned them back to DVD:s playebly by standalone DVD players, I have no problems with my subs in any other players.

It would be nice to hear someone that have managed to get subs working with hdtv .ts movies with subs, on any (fast) machine (Mine is a XP3200+ with 1gig mem and 6600GT graphicscard)

I will try to find some .ts movies with lower resolution to test.

What you are suggesting is that VLC is not correctly recognizing the PCR of the TS file. Each packet contains a PCR (Program clock reference) when you seek within a file this information is renewed. It would be more likely that your sound cards clocks are drifting. When was the last time you updated your sound cards drivers? This may explain while every file you are trying has similar problems. The other possibility is that the files are all from the same source and it is an encoding problem.

VLC is a packet based player as such it is a bit more picky about the correct specifications for any given file type. If this were not true there would be more problems streaming files than there are. In any streaming packet based system timing is very important if you expect smooth picture and sound.

[Guest]

I have updated the soundrivers togheter with some other drivers for my nvida chipset, and restarted my comp. It will still not play the movie with subs, but cpu load have decreased to about 40% when playing only the movie ( might have with the restart to do, and not the new drivers)

I would be surprised if any of my .ts movies was from the same source.

If anyone have ever got subs with .ts files working, I would maybe have easier to belive, the error would be in the my files, and not in vlc or in how I handle vlc.

Thank you all for trying to help!

If anyone knows where to get a 480p .ts file that could be helpful?

[DJ]

I have updated the soundrivers togheter with some other drivers for my nvida chipset, and restarted my comp. It will still not play the movie with subs, but cpu load have decreased to about 40% when playing only the movie ( might have with the restart to do, and not the new drivers)

I would be surprised if any of my .ts movies was from the same source.

If anyone have ever got subs with .ts files working, I would maybe have easier to belive, the error would be in the my files, and not in vlc or in how I handle vlc.

Thank you all for trying to help!

If anyone knows where to get a 480p .ts file that could be helpful?

It sounds like the new video drivers helped the CPU load and this is encouraging. But if you are still having what appears to be a sync problem (IE the Messages file hasn't changed or searching within the file seem to change performance) and the files are from different sources I would still suspect the sound card.

Before going out and buying a new sound card you might try to check out ReClock on the web. If you can get this program to work it resolves all the timing issues within a machine if you can not get ReClock to lock under any condition, the clocks are drifting and the sound card should be replaced.

[Guest]

It was actually the drivers for teh motherboard i updated (sound is integrated on motherboard) but I have also updated the videodrivers now.

It is almost possible to use bs-player or PowerDVD with sub now, they are a little below 100% cpu, I will do some more testing with ReClock, but havent noticed any difference yet. I have a audigy 2 soundcard somewhere, maybe I will try to use it.

[Guest]

I realize that you are desperately trying to get your Subtitles working with your MPEG-TS files.

But the TS files without the subs are showing problems. Until these problems are resolved it is unlikely that subs will work. The MPEG-TS format was designed to have the subs encoded as a part of the stream.

One thing I did notice in Messages was that the FPS specification in your subs seemed to be missing. This should match the video file.

All Digital Video is follow audio for sync. When sync problems occur it is either an encoding problem, (IE all files from the same source) or the sound card's clocks are drifting (search ReClock on the web). There have been some users that have reported sync problems after installing SP2 and in most cases updated sound drivers has resolved the issue.

At this point your Video card and drivers appear to be communicating properly with DirectX as noted by your CPU usage, but the files still don't play right.

You could try to shut down DirectX for your sound card, if there is an improvement it would point to drivers. If there is no improvement would seem to point to drifting clocks.

[Guest]

If anyone have ever got subs with .ts files working, I would maybe have easier to belive, the error would be in the my files, and not in vlc or in how I handle vlc.

I have the same problem with 1080i .ts files, so the error is not in your files. The .srt file is in the same directory, with the same name. The MediaplayerClassic, the Zoomplayer, the Windows Mediaplayer 10 and the BS Player can play with external sub, the VLC not.

But the deinterlacer is the best in VLC )

[DJ]

If anyone have ever got subs with .ts files working, I would maybe have easier to belive, the error would be in the my files, and not in vlc or in how I handle vlc.

I have the same problem with 1080i .ts files, so the error is not in your files. The .srt file is in the same directory, with the same name. The MediaplayerClassic, the Zoomplayer, the Windows Mediaplayer 10 and the BS Player can play with external sub, the VLC not.

But the deinterlacer is the best in VLC )

VLC supports some 9 differant types of subtitles both internal and external with a wide variety of options. The subtitles module has been rebuilt to be even more compatable with various formats and file types. This can be found in the Nightly Builds http://nightlies.videolan.org/

[Guest]

If anyone have ever got subs with .ts files working, I would maybe have easier to belive, the error would be in the my files, and not in vlc or in how I handle vlc.

I have the same problem with 1080i .ts files, so the error is not in your files. The .srt file is in the same directory, with the same name. The MediaplayerClassic, the Zoomplayer, the Windows Mediaplayer 10 and the BS Player can play with external sub, the VLC not.

But the deinterlacer is the best in VLC )

VLC supports some 9 differant types of subtitles both internal and external with a wide variety of options. The subtitles module has been rebuilt to be even more compatable with various formats and file types. This can be found in the Nightly Builds http://nightlies.videolan.org/

THX, I've download it (vlc-0.8.5-svn-20060220-0001-win32.zip), but nothing happened. Its already a problem in this version, as in the 0.84a.

[DJ]

Unless you know VLC extremely well I would not recommend the zip file.

Try the smaller download, 9.1 meg version as it is the install version.

Uninstall the old version first using your Control Panels add/remove programs. Do NOT dump the new version over the old version.

[Guest]

Unless you know VLC extremely well I would not recommend the zip file.

Try the smaller download, 9.1 meg version as it is the install version.

Uninstall the old version first using your Control Panels add/remove programs. Do NOT dump the new version over the old version.

I tryed it also (((((( nothing changed..... But thx.

[DJ]

Unless you know VLC extremely well I would not recommend the zip file.

Try the smaller download, 9.1 meg version as it is the install version.

Uninstall the old version first using your Control Panels add/remove programs. Do NOT dump the new version over the old version.

I tryed it also (((((( nothing changed..... But thx.

I'm assuming your problem is with external subs. The most common problem is not getting them to sync with the video because they were not made for the video, sometimes this can disrupt the timing for a file type that is marginal in being able to play without subs or in the case of transposing subs and not including the FPS to match the video file. MPEG-TS was designed to allow for subs to be encoded within the file.

If the subs timing drifts with the video file there is a provision within VLC to allow you to adjust it. This works if the subs file was not made for the video file but are close. There are many other options that can make subs more friendly.

These may be some strange questions at this point, but:

1. Did you look to see is the sub you are trying to get to work is supported?

2. Did you check Messages without subs to see if there is a problem with the file?

3. If the subs were not designed for the Video file (obtained from a second source) did you try adjusting then to match the video file?

4. If you are transposing subtitle formats and making them fit to your video file did you tell the program the frame rate of the video file?

Your comment "nothing changed" really doesn't tell anyone much.

Perhaps to would be helpful to see one of the Developers view points.

viewtopic.php?t=16427&highlight=srt

[The DJ]

VLC doesn't have accurate time information for MPEG files, and therefore any external subtitles cannot work with it, because they require to know the exact time position in the movie.

Only avi,mkv,mov and other fileformats with accurate time information work with external subtitles.