Time for Blu-Ray support guys...

[leQ]

i really don't understand why the open source community is having such a problem getting a BD capable player out. what's the hangup?

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

License, Code, reverse engineering and so on.

[kurkosdr]

i really don't understand why the open source community is having such a problem getting a BD capable player out. what's the hangup?

Sony (the creator of the BluRay Movie standard) is a very secretive company. They won't give you the standards for the creation and playback of bluray movies unless you buy a "license". Hence, the menu format for bluray movies, BD-J (the programming language for the intractive features) and the playback method for copy protected movies are all secrets of Sony, revealed only to afflicate companies.
So, the only viable solution for the opensource community is to reverse engineer (guess) the standards trough "unofficial" methods, hoping they 'll come up with a working software for playback and creation of bluray movies.

Till then, although opensource programs will be capable of storing various data on BluRay recordable discs, they won't be able to create and play Bluray *movies*, at least not 100%

Till now, the best possible solutions is DumpHD along with VLC for playback, and TSMuxer for authoring.

Or you can be a good customer and waste money for PowerDVD, thus producing profit for Cyberlink and Sony...

[kurkosdr]

At least did we got menu support for bluray movies with 1.0?

That shouldn't be that hard to implement.

There are programs out there who can make nice BluRay movies with menus from people's home recordings, so it would be nice to be able to play them with VLC.

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

No, we don't have that yet.

Help and samples are welcome.

[Lotesdelere]

http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/bdplus

[nikola23]

No, we don't have that yet.

Help and samples are welcome.

As far as the sample goes are there any certain files on the disc that you would need? I have access to bluray discs and a drive so id be able to get them i just imagine you dont want 40 gig disc images.

[VLC_help]

At least did we got menu support for bluray movies with 1.0?

AFAIK Blu-ray Menu support would require BD-J implementation. So it is very unlikely to see this anytime soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD-J

[kurkosdr]

AFAIK Blu-ray Menu support would require BD-J implementation. So it is very unlikely to see this anytime soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD-J

.. and, proprietary software popped off ahead again (at least in the video dept)

Anyway, these guys at DVd Fab promised GPLing the code of their console version, so it can still be done.

[VLC_help]

I don't think DVDFab has BD-J menu support in their ripping software.

[DGMurdockIII]

https://hdcookbook.dev.java.net/ - The HD Cookbook Open-source Project contains tools and frameworks for the production of a BD disc image that contains BD-J applications

[seth_keith]

with copy protection removed, only 1 in 4 mt2s movies play. Most just show a 'green screen'. Same movie plays fine with mplayer. Also as far as I can tell, no support for TrueHD or DTS. How do we make this stuff work.

As for a feature request what about navigating the Bluray structure.

[nikola23]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure only movies that were encoded as interlaced will work.

[VLC_help]

Most Blu-ray movies are progressive, not interlaced. And Interlaced ones are more likely to have issues because interlaced decoding has some issues with libavcodec (at least with H.264 and VC-1). And if you non-working file, you could you share short sample files to us? You can use tsMuxeR for cutting.

[kurkosdr]

Most just show a 'green screen'. Same movie plays fine with mplayer.

Aren't Mplayer and VLC supposed to be able to share code? So why it this happening?

The reason i told about DVD fab GPLing their code is that if VLC manages to see through copy protection, it would be still a great step, despite the lack of menu support

[VLC_help]

Aren't Mplayer and VLC supposed to be able to share code? So why it this happening?

They both use libavcodec, but demuxers aren't always same ones. Also different build options and different source code versions can make them to behave differently in libavcodec level. Mplayer and VLC also have different output modules, but video output issues should be shown with most videos (so not limited to Blu-ray only).

[kurkosdr]

Aren't Mplayer and VLC supposed to be able to share code? So why it this happening?

They both use libavcodec, but demuxers aren't always same ones. Also different build options and different source code versions can make them to behave differently in libavcodec level. Mplayer and VLC also have different output modules, but video output issues should be shown with most videos (so not limited to Blu-ray only).

Huh? Can't you just find what's making Mplayer work and what's making VLC don't, and then use code/ideas from Mplayer to fix it?

[Jean-Baptiste Kempf]

Aren't Mplayer and VLC supposed to be able to share code? So why it this happening?

They both use libavcodec, but demuxers aren't always same ones. Also different build options and different source code versions can make them to behave differently in libavcodec level. Mplayer and VLC also have different output modules, but video output issues should be shown with most videos (so not limited to Blu-ray only).

Huh? Can't you just find what's making Mplayer work and what's making VLC don't, and then use code/ideas from Mplayer to fix it?

Mplayer doesn't decode Blu-Ray.

[kurkosdr]

Mplayer doesn't decode Blu-Ray.

That's the easy part. Just use Any DVD HD or DumpHD(for the Linux people), or Blu-Ray Ripper (for the windows people that don't like shareware). The problem is that even on a decrypted movie, VLC has problems with playing some VC-1 streams, plus it doesn't support menus

[VLC_help]

Blu-ray menu support isn't going to happen anytime soon as I have said earlier.

[Lotesdelere]

I just found this:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p ... ost1327197

[doomonyou]

I just found this:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p ... ost1327197

NIce, I hope the guy gets it working cross platform..

[DGMurdockIII]

some of them here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=149392&page=3 got it to work in mplayer

[analog]

Most just show a 'green screen'. Same movie plays fine with mplayer.

Aren't Mplayer and VLC supposed to be able to share code? So why it this happening?

The reason i told about DVD fab GPLing their code is that if VLC manages to see through copy protection, it would be still a great step, despite the lack of menu support

I'm not sure but doesn't mplayer mainly use gstreamer for decoding ?

[ChuckMcKnight]

By any chance will this leak help get Blu-ray support for VLC?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20016756-245.html

I don't know much about how DRM works, so this might be something totally different.